Hurst Comp Plus 4 speed shifter update
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Safety Car
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From: VASS, NC, USA
Hurst Comp Plus 4 speed shifter update
For those that saw the original post:
I let out the shift throw adjustment.....Now I can get into first, 3rd and reverse. But sometimes it shifts easy, sometimes it takes ALLOT of effort to do so
I looked at the invoice for a hurst tech line. NOTHING on the box, or instructions
So far, I am NOT impressed with Hurst. The instructions are not in a logical sequence, and no tech line.
I hope Hurst hasnt gone the way most typical race part icons have went: Down the toilet......................
Ill try some minor adjustments, and see if I can get this worked out. Sure would be nice if they had a tech line..............................
I would not recommend anyone buy any 4 speed shifters from hurst at this point
I let out the shift throw adjustment.....Now I can get into first, 3rd and reverse. But sometimes it shifts easy, sometimes it takes ALLOT of effort to do so
I looked at the invoice for a hurst tech line. NOTHING on the box, or instructions
So far, I am NOT impressed with Hurst. The instructions are not in a logical sequence, and no tech line.
I hope Hurst hasnt gone the way most typical race part icons have went: Down the toilet......................
Ill try some minor adjustments, and see if I can get this worked out. Sure would be nice if they had a tech line..............................
I would not recommend anyone buy any 4 speed shifters from hurst at this point
Racer
Joined: May 2002
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From: Poughkeepsie New York
Found this on the web:
Phone:
216.688.8300
ext. 500
8:30 a.m.-5:00 p.m.
Mon.-Fri. EST Address:
Technical Service
Mr. Gasket Company
10601 Memphis Ave. #12
Cleveland, OH 44144
Many of the reps also travel to racing and consumer events and can be found at the race trailer if you would like to have a specific question answered in person.
One way to find answers is to visit our Knowledgebase and search for other issues regarding Hurst products.
If you have a specific question that has not been answered in the Knowledgebase, please fill out the form below completely and submit your technical services request. Our Technical Services personnel will reply to your questions on a first-come-first-serve basis.
http://go.mrgasket.com/AskTechFormHu...aspx?brandId=2
Phone:
216.688.8300
ext. 500
8:30 a.m.-5:00 p.m.
Mon.-Fri. EST Address:
Technical Service
Mr. Gasket Company
10601 Memphis Ave. #12
Cleveland, OH 44144
Many of the reps also travel to racing and consumer events and can be found at the race trailer if you would like to have a specific question answered in person.
One way to find answers is to visit our Knowledgebase and search for other issues regarding Hurst products.
If you have a specific question that has not been answered in the Knowledgebase, please fill out the form below completely and submit your technical services request. Our Technical Services personnel will reply to your questions on a first-come-first-serve basis.
http://go.mrgasket.com/AskTechFormHu...aspx?brandId=2
Team Owner
Joined: Jul 1999
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From: Huntersville NC
Which one did you get?
3734648 ? for 68 vette. Just want to look over the instructions. I was considering getting one for my 68, but i will wait until you get yours to work.
http://go.mrgasket.com/pdf/3734648.pdf
You're sure reverse is supposed to be setup not vertical? I thought all the levers including reverse were vertical in neutral, but then I never messed with my reverse lever.
3734648 ? for 68 vette. Just want to look over the instructions. I was considering getting one for my 68, but i will wait until you get yours to work.
http://go.mrgasket.com/pdf/3734648.pdf
You're sure reverse is supposed to be setup not vertical? I thought all the levers including reverse were vertical in neutral, but then I never messed with my reverse lever.
Melting Slicks
Joined: Feb 2006
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From: Japan
Melvin, it sounds to me like your Vette is an original four-speed car so please forgive me if my suggestions sound ignorant. I converted my TH400 '70 to an M20 last spring with a Competition Plus shifter. Aside from the 1-2 slider in my box being junk and eventually requiring replacement I initially had problems with the shifter as follows: 1)
The back of the 1-2 shift rod was hitting the crossmember, preventing it from going into first, and 2) The lever was hitting the edge of the trim plate that I had fab'd for the transmission tunnel, causing the same problem. Not until I had replaced the slider, ground away part of the parking brake pulley bracket and trimmed the edge of the trim plate did I finally become able to consistently find first gear.
Also, the installation kit for a Corvette (assuming you've got the right one) has a spacer block included which moves the lever to the right about 7/16" and the levers that attach to the trans side cover are slightly "S" shaped. It's important that these are properly oriented. Having never set up a Muncie before it took me awhile to sort these things out myself but once I had it right the unit works beautifully. Please don't take offense- just trying to help.
The back of the 1-2 shift rod was hitting the crossmember, preventing it from going into first, and 2) The lever was hitting the edge of the trim plate that I had fab'd for the transmission tunnel, causing the same problem. Not until I had replaced the slider, ground away part of the parking brake pulley bracket and trimmed the edge of the trim plate did I finally become able to consistently find first gear.
Also, the installation kit for a Corvette (assuming you've got the right one) has a spacer block included which moves the lever to the right about 7/16" and the levers that attach to the trans side cover are slightly "S" shaped. It's important that these are properly oriented. Having never set up a Muncie before it took me awhile to sort these things out myself but once I had it right the unit works beautifully. Please don't take offense- just trying to help.
Last edited by birdsmith; Oct 26, 2006 at 10:51 PM.
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Safety Car
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From: VASS, NC, USA
I dont mind any input by any means. I had a friend go thru the gears
while I looked for any possible obstructions. I beleive nothing is in the way. I will look closer at the parking brake pulley assembly to see if its interfering
The liitle lever spacer is in and correct
The parts are correct for a 68. Both the shifter and installation kit
The bad thing about this, is now Im wondering if the tranny itself may be worn, not just the shifter. The original 68 shifter was worn, sloppy, getting hard to shift, so its hard to tell
Cant really check as the original shifter is so worn out
while I looked for any possible obstructions. I beleive nothing is in the way. I will look closer at the parking brake pulley assembly to see if its interfering
The liitle lever spacer is in and correct
The parts are correct for a 68. Both the shifter and installation kit
The bad thing about this, is now Im wondering if the tranny itself may be worn, not just the shifter. The original 68 shifter was worn, sloppy, getting hard to shift, so its hard to tell
Cant really check as the original shifter is so worn out
Racer
Joined: Jan 2004
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From: Everfrost Second Life
Usually if all gears are tough to get into just make a small adjustment on your clutch. Sounds like a release issue. An easy check is that if you get a good neutral gate with the rear wheels off the ground and engine off, can you shift it into all gears?
Paul
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Le Mans Master
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From: Ann Arbor Michigan
Originally Posted by 5speeds
Usually if all gears are tough to get into just make a small adjustment on your clutch. Sounds like a release issue. An easy check is that if you get a good neutral gate with the rear wheels off the ground and engine off, can you shift it into all gears?
Paul
Paul
Le Mans Master
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From: Unreconstructed, South Carolina
If you have not experienced a "LONG" shifter ... in regards to robust design, precise shifts you cannot know how superior Long is to Hurst, Muncie etc. Real race stuff & priced accordingly.
http://www.gforcetransmissions.com/shifter_4speeds.asp
http://www.gforcetransmissions.com/shifter_5speeds.asp
http://www.gforcetransmissions.com/shifter_6speeds.asp
http://www.gforcetransmissions.com/shifter_4speeds.asp
http://www.gforcetransmissions.com/shifter_5speeds.asp
http://www.gforcetransmissions.com/shifter_6speeds.asp
Last edited by jackson; Oct 28, 2006 at 11:51 AM.
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From: VASS, NC, USA
Found prob with hurst shifter
Not the clutch, not the shifter. Its the tranny itself
Had a M-21/22 expert drop by. He went thru what he could in the gears, then disconnected the linkages and tried the tranny levers them selves
Looks like the sincs and some bearings are probably on the way south.
One clue was it was easier to shift into 3, and 4th, than 1,2.
So here I was giving the Hurst shifter a bad time.
I thought the whole time it was in the shifter. It felt as if my original one was getting worse and worse. Then I replaced it. Same prob
I really didnt consider the tranny, although it was in the back of mind after awhile
Ill bet the vibration I got here lately around 25000 ropm is coming from the tranny as well
Ill be taking a pic history of the tranny coming out, fixing, replacing to share
Had a M-21/22 expert drop by. He went thru what he could in the gears, then disconnected the linkages and tried the tranny levers them selves
Looks like the sincs and some bearings are probably on the way south.
One clue was it was easier to shift into 3, and 4th, than 1,2.
So here I was giving the Hurst shifter a bad time.
I thought the whole time it was in the shifter. It felt as if my original one was getting worse and worse. Then I replaced it. Same prob
I really didnt consider the tranny, although it was in the back of mind after awhile
Ill bet the vibration I got here lately around 25000 ropm is coming from the tranny as well
Ill be taking a pic history of the tranny coming out, fixing, replacing to share
Le Mans Master
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From: Ann Arbor Michigan
Melvin
I bought a rebuild kit from Ed Hartnett's 4 speeds. email eh4speeds@aol.com The kit had all the seals, bearings and syscros plus the main shaft. As I recall it was about 200 bucks. I took a bunch of pictures of my Super T-10 during overhaul if you run into problems. Also, Ed answered all my questions as I was rebuilding it, good guy.
I bought a rebuild kit from Ed Hartnett's 4 speeds. email eh4speeds@aol.com The kit had all the seals, bearings and syscros plus the main shaft. As I recall it was about 200 bucks. I took a bunch of pictures of my Super T-10 during overhaul if you run into problems. Also, Ed answered all my questions as I was rebuilding it, good guy.