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Old Jan 5, 2007 | 10:51 PM
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I've noticed the past few times I start my Vette after it has sat a few days a large cloud of blue smoke from the exhaust. Just on the initial start-up, then it goes away, and does not smoke otherwise. My first thought was valve seals, but my 383 has less than 1K miles on it!
I'm using the Brodix IK200 heads, are there any issues with the seals on these heads, or could it be something else I'm overlooking?
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Valve seals would be my first thought,..but they shouldn't be hogged out at 1000 miles unless your valve-train geometry is bad (incorrect length pushrods).

Is the carb flooding?,..or leaking into the intake after shut-down (q-jets sometimes have this problem).
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Old Jan 6, 2007 | 03:33 AM
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Maybe a valve seal or guide problem- I'm not slamming them, but I've seen the blue oval bunch have guide trouble in way less than 1000 miles. Guides were loose enough the seals didn't have a chance. I know Brodix is high quality stuff, but someone may have had a bad day too.


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Old Jan 6, 2007 | 07:52 AM
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Mine does that as well, but she's got 103K on her, soooooooooo.....
Valve guide seals for me....
Hope you find the answer.....

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Old Jan 6, 2007 | 08:17 AM
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My '76 used to do it and it was valve seals. Engine had about 90k on it.
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Old Jan 6, 2007 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by 73, Dark Blue 454
Valve seals would be my first thought,..but they shouldn't be hogged out at 1000 miles unless your valve-train geometry is bad (incorrect length pushrods).

Is the carb flooding?,..or leaking into the intake after shut-down (q-jets sometimes have this problem).
Checked the valvetrain geometry when I built the engine(had to buy special length pushrods).

I'm running a Holley, so leakage shouldn't be a problem. Had a problem with boil-over with my last motor, but not with this one probably due to the RPM air-gap.

The springs on the Brodix heads are good for .575 lift, and my cam is .560 with a 1.5 ratio. Is this cutting it too close that I could be munching up the seals?

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Are you running 1.6 rockers? I have seen bad valve guide wear in a short time with these.
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There are only 3 kinds of smoke. The color identifies the source/problem. White is water/coolant. Black is fuel. Blue is oil. Blue smoke at start-up only,means oil has leaked down into the combustion chambers during a non-running period. Thus, I would say ,valve seals are the syptom/problem. The big question is..why did they wear so quickly. Find the answer,problem will go away for another 100k miles.

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Originally Posted by 63mako
Are you running 1.6 rockers? I have seen bad valve guide wear in a short time with these.
1.5 as mentioned in my last post. I've heard of this also, plus my cam has plenty of lift as it is, so I went with the 1.5 rockers. The Summit aluminum rollers to be exact
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Originally Posted by ghoastrider1
The big question is..why did they wear so quickly. Find the answer,problem will go away for another 100k miles.

Think I'll pull the valve covers this afternoon and start checking for anything obvious before I start pulling valve springs
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Why don't you pull the plugs, ya might find a single valve that needs a replace seal instead of all of them....
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Originally Posted by kb2fzq
Why don't you pull the plugs, ya might find a single valve that needs a replace seal instead of all of them....

I thought about that, figured I could take the plugs out and stick a Q-tip or something similar in the spark plug hole, see if I can pick up any oil that way
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Originally Posted by 682XLR8
I thought about that, figured I could take the plugs out and stick a Q-tip or something similar in the spark plug hole, see if I can pick up any oil that way
What i'm suggesting is, fire it up cold, let it run just a second or two and shut down and pull the plugs....the bad cylinder(s) should have oil soaked plug(s)....does that make sense??
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I can give'er a try
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Old Jan 8, 2007 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 73, Dark Blue 454
Is the carb flooding?,..or leaking into the intake after shut-down (q-jets sometimes have this problem).
This was the cause of my blue smoke - the choke pulloff was non-operational, so the choke would cause the car to run too rich at start-up. Replaced the pulloff and no more smoke or gas smell when starting on a cold morning.
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