Hydraboost and Steeroids or not
Heel & Toe
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 15
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Glade I read this area about Steroids and Jeep...I'm currently wraping up a VB&P suspension and getting ready for stering tires and wheels...Looking for the best combination...It would be great to save a few bucks however I'm really interested in whats best for looks,installation and feel...I want the car to have the best no matter what...I didn't know that the Steroids hung lower than other rack systems...and I'm not firmilar with the jeep system...any other oem racks fit C3"s....
Team Owner
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 24,125
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From: Columbia Missouri
Zips has a great assortment of kits. I bought one that was a good price and replaced many of the parts in front I needed replaced. Also, they were Moog brand, which is one of the top brands in my mind.
Melting Slicks
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 3,028
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From: North NJ
I like VBP.
Don't know price difference but their customer support is worth big $$$ to me. I can't tell you how many things I have ordered, didn't fit right (usually due to bubba on my car) or I didn't like it and sent them back and ordered new stuff with no hassles. I can call their tech department with any question and they have no problem helping me thru it.
I have the performance plus suspension kit from VBP, full car suspension.
I also have the Van Steel double offset TA's.
I don't follow MidAmerica or Zips customer service but I prefer to deal with Van Steel and VBP for quality performance suspension items.
Just my .002
Don't know price difference but their customer support is worth big $$$ to me. I can't tell you how many things I have ordered, didn't fit right (usually due to bubba on my car) or I didn't like it and sent them back and ordered new stuff with no hassles. I can call their tech department with any question and they have no problem helping me thru it.
I have the performance plus suspension kit from VBP, full car suspension.
I also have the Van Steel double offset TA's.
I don't follow MidAmerica or Zips customer service but I prefer to deal with Van Steel and VBP for quality performance suspension items.
Just my .002
Team Owner
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 24,125
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From: Columbia Missouri
I would agree, but I have heard a lot of forum members explaining trouble lately with things as simple as ball joints, from sellers like VBP, and it was a substandard part, like a Chinese knockoff, being sold by them.
Melting Slicks
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 3,028
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From: North NJ
I sure hope not. I ordered the HD ball joints and tie rod ends from them seperate from my perf plus kit. They looked good to me. Anyway to tell? aside from looking for the "Made in China" label.
Heel & Toe
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 15
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I've heard that too about Steroids...it's simply the best option user friendly most performance available today...without desigining your own from scratch...Thanks for the info..you never know what someone else has discovered....thanks Forum..RA Detroit
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Melting Slicks
Joined: Jan 2006
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From: North NJ
I have the setup in my 73 it gives the car good feel. It is a pleasure to drive. I will be making these changes to my 77 although it will be DIY and save some bucks. The rack is from a 92/93 Grand Am the hydroboost is from a Astro Van easiest to convert some have used others. There are some good posts here about this topic. Manual to power is a little more involved. I do know you will have to use a later master cylinder 77-82. I am sure others will chime in
Team Owner
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 24,125
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From: Columbia Missouri
The phrase "Fairly easily" shouldn't be used around our vettes. Not sure how difficult it was but you would need access to make your own brackets, take measurements and have a good head on your shoulders to know what works and what is safe. Would be cool to see a write-up on this though.
I don't mind some fabrication, but I have to outsource everything with me not having a machine shop or even anything close.
Intermediate
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 29
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From: Midland Texas
Stalling with hydraboost
Hey guys,
I have a 94 Chevy 1-ton pick-up with a 6.5Tdiesel. It has the hydraboost system on it. Many of you may know that the early injection pumps on these trucks were prone to failure. Most common problem was surging or stalling. When my truck used to act up and stall, it was very difficult to steer and brake with no power especially at speed..
I know there is a big weight difference in these two vehicles, but still...
I am very interested in the hydraboost and R&P set-ups for our cars and will probably do it anyway, but I thought knowing the concerns could help in a dangerous situation like that.
Just my two sense...
Eric
I have a 94 Chevy 1-ton pick-up with a 6.5Tdiesel. It has the hydraboost system on it. Many of you may know that the early injection pumps on these trucks were prone to failure. Most common problem was surging or stalling. When my truck used to act up and stall, it was very difficult to steer and brake with no power especially at speed..
I know there is a big weight difference in these two vehicles, but still...
I am very interested in the hydraboost and R&P set-ups for our cars and will probably do it anyway, but I thought knowing the concerns could help in a dangerous situation like that.
Just my two sense...
Eric
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Racer
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 397
Likes: 1
From: Erie PA
I like VBP.
Don't know price difference but their customer support is worth big $$$ to me. I can't tell you how many things I have ordered, didn't fit right (usually due to bubba on my car) or I didn't like it and sent them back and ordered new stuff with no hassles. I can call their tech department with any question and they have no problem helping me thru it.
I have the performance plus suspension kit from VBP, full car suspension.
I also have the Van Steel double offset TA's.
I don't follow MidAmerica or Zips customer service but I prefer to deal with Van Steel and VBP for quality performance suspension items.
Just my .002
Don't know price difference but their customer support is worth big $$$ to me. I can't tell you how many things I have ordered, didn't fit right (usually due to bubba on my car) or I didn't like it and sent them back and ordered new stuff with no hassles. I can call their tech department with any question and they have no problem helping me thru it.
I have the performance plus suspension kit from VBP, full car suspension.
I also have the Van Steel double offset TA's.
I don't follow MidAmerica or Zips customer service but I prefer to deal with Van Steel and VBP for quality performance suspension items.
Just my .002
I have given VBP over $5000 within the past six months and another $2500 next month. Patti is awesome and always returns my calls and helps me with everything. I have to pay tax on VBP stuff but the service is worth it!
Team Owner
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 24,125
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From: Columbia Missouri
Hey guys,
I have a 94 Chevy 1-ton pick-up with a 6.5Tdiesel. It has the hydraboost system on it. Many of you may know that the early injection pumps on these trucks were prone to failure. Most common problem was surging or stalling. When my truck used to act up and stall, it was very difficult to steer and brake with no power especially at speed..
I know there is a big weight difference in these two vehicles, but still...
I am very interested in the hydraboost and R&P set-ups for our cars and will probably do it anyway, but I thought knowing the concerns could help in a dangerous situation like that.
Just my two sense...
Eric
I have a 94 Chevy 1-ton pick-up with a 6.5Tdiesel. It has the hydraboost system on it. Many of you may know that the early injection pumps on these trucks were prone to failure. Most common problem was surging or stalling. When my truck used to act up and stall, it was very difficult to steer and brake with no power especially at speed..
I know there is a big weight difference in these two vehicles, but still...
I am very interested in the hydraboost and R&P set-ups for our cars and will probably do it anyway, but I thought knowing the concerns could help in a dangerous situation like that.
Just my two sense...
Eric
I first tested my Hydro brakes which the car not running. It really wasn't that hard to stop it from rolling down a hill backwards. There is plenty of pedal pressure to stop these cars with no power assist in the event of a failure.
Race Director
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 11,872
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From: Waterloo ontario Canada
The steroids clutters up the undercarriage. It hangs down under the pan, takes up ground clearance and costs far too much.
I had the option of going either route for next to nothing and choose the jeep box because I believe it is a better alternative and some very knowing people recommended the jeep box over the steriods.
Drifting
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 1,758
Likes: 4
From: Medford, Or
You have a nice looking frame. As for the Jeep box being old school it is brand new technology, came out after 1999 or 2000.
The steroids clutters up the undercarriage. It hangs down under the pan, takes up ground clearance and costs far too much.
I had the option of going either route for next to nothing and choose the jeep box because I believe it is a better alternative and some very knowing people recommended the jeep box over the steriods.
The steroids clutters up the undercarriage. It hangs down under the pan, takes up ground clearance and costs far too much.
I had the option of going either route for next to nothing and choose the jeep box because I believe it is a better alternative and some very knowing people recommended the jeep box over the steriods.
Thank you for the complement.
I don't see that much savings when you add the cost of rebuilding the front end. I'm assuming that people are not going to just replace the Jeep box and nothing on the worn out front end. All you need to replace with the Steeroids is the 4 ball joints and A-arm bushings.
The jeep box is nothing more than a powered Recirculating ball steering box. Chevy trucks have been using this techology for years. I find the under carraiage is much cleaner with the Steeroids than having all the steering rods and moving parts. What about bump Steer ? The Jeep box will do nothing to reduce bump steer. The worst part putting a Jeep box into a Corvette is....it's a Dodge part!!!!
Have a great week end!!!
Dan
Race Director
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 11,872
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From: Waterloo ontario Canada
norvalwilhelm-
Thank you for the complement.
I don't see that much savings when you add the cost of rebuilding the front end. I'm assuming that people are not going to just replace the Jeep box and nothing on the worn out front end. All you need to replace with the Steeroids is the 4 ball joints and A-arm bushings.
The jeep box is nothing more than a powered Recirculating ball steering box. Chevy trucks have been using this techology for years. I find the under carraiage is much cleaner with the Steeroids than having all the steering rods and moving parts. What about bump Steer ? The Jeep box will do nothing to reduce bump steer. The worst part putting a Jeep box into a Corvette is....it's a Dodge part!!!!
Have a great week end!!!
Dan
Thank you for the complement.
I don't see that much savings when you add the cost of rebuilding the front end. I'm assuming that people are not going to just replace the Jeep box and nothing on the worn out front end. All you need to replace with the Steeroids is the 4 ball joints and A-arm bushings.
The jeep box is nothing more than a powered Recirculating ball steering box. Chevy trucks have been using this techology for years. I find the under carraiage is much cleaner with the Steeroids than having all the steering rods and moving parts. What about bump Steer ? The Jeep box will do nothing to reduce bump steer. The worst part putting a Jeep box into a Corvette is....it's a Dodge part!!!!
Have a great week end!!!
Dan
The Jeep box while old school does have the latest valving. It is dodge yes but I drive a dodge truck and have a FORD tremec transmission in the car.
I have posted many times on bump steer and don't know if the steriods is really designed to take bump out of the car. My car is extensively modified to remove bump and the steriods would just mess that up.
Your frame is beautifully refinished, looks new.
I am sure the rest of the car will look just as good.
Drifting
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 1,758
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From: Medford, Or
Thanks Dan but my next week it going to be even better, I am heading for Mexico and a week of drinking, eating, sun and looking at woman.
The Jeep box while old school does have the latest valving. It is dodge yes but I drive a dodge truck and have a FORD tremec transmission in the car.
I have posted many times on bump steer and don't know if the steriods is really designed to take bump out of the car. My car is extensively modified to remove bump and the steriods would just mess that up.
Your frame is beautifully refinished, looks new.
I am sure the rest of the car will look just as good.
The Jeep box while old school does have the latest valving. It is dodge yes but I drive a dodge truck and have a FORD tremec transmission in the car.
I have posted many times on bump steer and don't know if the steriods is really designed to take bump out of the car. My car is extensively modified to remove bump and the steriods would just mess that up.
Your frame is beautifully refinished, looks new.
I am sure the rest of the car will look just as good.
I don't think they have completly removed the bump steer from the Corvette kit. I have a lot of work on my 68 body. I will be beefing up the LS1 to 400+ HP and finishing the fuel system the next 2 months. I should have powdered the frame, but I need to get this 68 finished and on the road/ track.
Have a great time in Mexico.
Dan
Race Director
Joined: Nov 2000
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From: Waterloo ontario Canada
norvalwilhelm,
I don't think they have completly removed the bump steer from the Corvette kit. I have a lot of work on my 68 body. I will be beefing up the LS1 to 400+ HP and finishing the fuel system the next 2 months. I should have powdered the frame, but I need to get this 68 finished and on the road/ track.
Have a great time in Mexico.
Dan
I don't think they have completly removed the bump steer from the Corvette kit. I have a lot of work on my 68 body. I will be beefing up the LS1 to 400+ HP and finishing the fuel system the next 2 months. I should have powdered the frame, but I need to get this 68 finished and on the road/ track.
Have a great time in Mexico.
Dan
You have the plate on the rack and pinion so you have the option of changing tie rod lengths, I had to build a custom center link for the 3 inch longer tie rods. You certainly can play with the system if you want to change it.
This is a shot of my undercarriage with the jeep box and a simple drag link
Team Owner
Joined: Jul 1999
Posts: 65,492
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From: Orange Park Florida
HUmmm.....actually, I think ti's made by Saginaw Gear....a GM division, or at least used to be....so it's a close to being GM as Chebby.....
I know the steering column in my '85 work van is GM....tilt and all....
I think the box is also....
I know the steering column in my '85 work van is GM....tilt and all....
I think the box is also....