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Old Mar 20, 2007 | 09:15 AM
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I had one of those cheap pot metal cams once. Of all things the fuel pump lobe wore away. I called the guy called "Red" at comp cams. He told me to send it back and they would take a look and I wrongly thought that i would get a new cam. What they told me was I did not use the correct bronze tipped fuel pump rod. So along with me having to purchase a new cam they would throw in the bronze tip for free + my $380 roller cam. They sent it all right, with a COD for $18 UPS ground. So it was about $400 + the $21 to send my old bad cam back for them to tell me that they make junk pot metal cams.

If you have not recieved this cam - I would spend the few extra bucks and get the dist gear sleeved billet steel
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Old Mar 20, 2007 | 10:34 AM
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I were you I would install a true two piece timing cover like the comp cams model. That way you could change the cam degree without removing the oil pan.
I got the Cloyes two piece with integrated cam button. Kicker is you got to use their chain. Just put my new comp magnum double roller chain up in the parts for sale forum

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Comp cams generally grind in 4 degrees of advance compared to Crane cams. So your 4 advance might be the equivolent to 8.

I figured this out from looking at cam card .050 valve event numbers. Well tuned and put together 383's make so much more TQ than any 350 that it is kind of a moot point to get even more low end. I can see where you are going on the upper rpm limitation though.
Could be. The numbers look suprisingly similar to the crane numbers according to the previous post. The 114 LSA and a lot of the build specs were looking for smoother idle (will still rumble pretty good). better street manners and adjusting for my 1st gear ratio. (9 to 1 needs bottom end power to get good et's and pull well from idle or stop in street driving, especially with the lightweight flywheel and rotating assembly.) Mostly around town driving, car shows and occasional strip use, unless they kick me out.

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I had one of those cheap pot metal cams once. Of all things the fuel pump lobe wore away. I called the guy called "Red" at comp cams. He told me to send it back and they would take a look and I wrongly thought that i would get a new cam. What they told me was I did not use the correct bronze tipped fuel pump rod. So along with me having to purchase a new cam they would throw in the bronze tip for free + my $380 roller cam. They sent it all right, with a COD for $18 UPS ground. So it was about $400 + the $21 to send my old bad cam back for them to tell me that they make junk pot metal cams.

If you have not recieved this cam - I would spend the few extra bucks and get the dist gear sleeved billet steel
I would but I already have the cam. I already bought the bronze gear for the distributor but then was told you need the bronze pump rod and gear only with the billet stuff not with the cast. My valve spring pressures are low but I have a high volume fuel pump. Might have been a combination of sustained high rpm's and high pressure on that lobe from a high volume fuel pump that caused your lobe failure. I will check back into this. The bronze tipped fuel pump rod would probably resolve this issue. Thanks for the heads up.

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Old Mar 20, 2007 | 11:15 AM
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Hey George. Check this out. $134.00 http://www.compperformancegroupstore...Category_Code= The information on this page directly contradicts what the tech guy told me on the phone! http://www.compperformancegroupstore.../merchant.mvc? Time for a new thread.

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Originally Posted by 63mako
I got the Cloyes two piece with integrated cam button. Kicker is you got to use their chain. Just put my new comp magnum double roller chain up in the parts for sale forum:
I have the Crane billet timing set and I had to remove .040 or .060 from the Cloyes roller button face for clearance. then it was adjustable as advertised.


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Could be. The numbers look suprisingly similar to the crane numbers according to the previous post. The 114 LSA and a lot of the build specs were looking for smoother idle (will still rumble pretty good). better street manners and adjusting for my 1st gear ratio. (9 to 1 needs bottom end power to get good et's and pull well from idle or stop in street driving, especially with the lightweight flywheel and rotating assembly.) Mostly around town driving, car shows and occasional strip use, unless they kick me out. :
I was also thinking of drivability when i had my first 112 lc made


I would but I already have the cam. I already bought the bronze gear for the distributor but then was told you need the bronze pump rod and gear only with the billet stuff not with the cast. My valve spring pressures are low but I have a high volume fuel pump. Might have been a combination of sustained high rpm's and high pressure on that lobe from a high volume fuel pump that caused your lobe failure. I will check back into this. The bronze tipped fuel pump rod would probably resolve this issue. Thanks for the heads up.[/QUOTE]

The Bronze tip is on the their web site.

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Old Mar 20, 2007 | 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by gkull
I have the Crane billet timing set and I had to remove .040 or .060 from the Cloyes roller button face for clearance. then it was adjustable as advertised.




I was also thinking of drivability when i had my first 112 lc made


I would but I already have the cam. I already bought the bronze gear for the distributor but then was told you need the bronze pump rod and gear only with the billet stuff not with the cast. My valve spring pressures are low but I have a high volume fuel pump. Might have been a combination of sustained high rpm's and high pressure on that lobe from a high volume fuel pump that caused your lobe failure. I will check back into this. The bronze tipped fuel pump rod would probably resolve this issue. Thanks for the heads up.

The Bronze tip is on the their web site.
Think I will go with the cloyes hex-adjust timing set to avoid issues. Looks like a nice setup and should work well with their cover. Just bought a lightweight brass tipped comp fuel pushrod for 13.95 on e-bay.
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Old Apr 21, 2007 | 07:02 PM
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Old Apr 21, 2007 | 09:34 PM
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Very nice looking setup....Reminds me of the one I am working on now. You are a little stouter on the bottom end though

Interesting cam specs. Mine is a littler higher lift, a little shorter in duration and a narrower lsa (.560/.560 230/230, 110) When do you hope to have it running? I would love to hear a sound clip when you do. Hopefully mine will be ready in about 3 weeks.


I have a recording studio so I will be posting some nice clips.
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Old Apr 21, 2007 | 10:51 PM
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I have a .550/.550 with 236* duration on both I think. Not sure. Can't remember

And I definitely can't remember LSA

I have a video uploaded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx1v-eHzWI8

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Old Apr 22, 2007 | 09:28 AM
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Lookin' good Kevin. Slap that intake on and lets go
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Old Apr 22, 2007 | 10:44 AM
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Kevin, which Hamburger pan did you choose? I've got the 1098 drag pan.

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Old Apr 22, 2007 | 12:27 PM
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Kevin, which Hamburger pan did you choose? I've got the 1098 drag pan.

Dave
Mine is the 1088. I got the pan spreaders because of the bolts missing in the stroker cutouts. Seems like a pretty nice piece for the $. The pan spreader is hamburger part # 1188. Good option if you got a hamburger pan.
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Old Apr 22, 2007 | 08:33 PM
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Man, that thing looks like it is going to fly just sitting there.
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Old Apr 22, 2007 | 08:43 PM
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Very nice. There's an aluminum flywheel in my shed that's very depressed that it will not get to spend any time with it.

Now I'm off to the parts forum to see if the comp chain set is still available....
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Old Apr 22, 2007 | 11:16 PM
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Very nice. There's an aluminum flywheel in my shed that's very depressed that it will not get to spend any time with it.

Now I'm off to the parts forum to see if the comp chain set is still available....
Nope, strange thing, You bought my nodular iron lightweight flywheel and the poster before you, dgruenke bought the comp timing set.
I ended up with a bobweight of 1685! and a 42# lightweight crank. Pretty lightweight rotating assembly for a 1000 HP capable 383 bottom end. The new flywheel is billet aluminum with a bronze insert, weight 12.5 LBS. Should rev pretty quick.
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I have the 3047 pan, what is the pan spreader is it something to
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I have the 3047 pan, what is the pan spreader is it something to
span the distance on the bolts ?
Yes, They look like valve cover spreaders to equalize the clamp force on the pan to help avoid leaks from the missing bolts. Do a search on Hamburger 1188, that is the small block #. They are available for big block and small block.
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Old Apr 25, 2007 | 10:32 PM
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Set the valves then rotated the engine over to set the rest. Got 5 lifters that stuck down! Set the rest and primed the engine. They pump up but will bleed down just pushing on the pushrod. WTF!!! My lifters are a little over 2 years old and I have stored them, unopened in the sealed box in the house. They were covered with a gummy substance when I opened the box. Looks like a protectant they put on them. Called Comp Cams and the tech said "our warrantee is 1 year from date of purchase" . I asked to talk to Red and explained my situation to him. He said 2 or 3 years ago the manufacturer of their lifters was using a protectant on the outside and inside the lifters and it turns into gummy crap after a couple years. They no longer use this protectant. He said the gum inside sticks the internal plungers in the lifter. "send them back and we will warrentee them even though they are over 2 years old." Easy for them but I got a rev kit, polylocks, stud girdle all to remove and reinstall. Guess it's better to find out now than later and Comp is standing up and doing the right thing!
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Red is a good man, he and I got into it over who was to blame for wear on my Hi Tech roller rockers, he finally said, just send them in they have a lifetime warranty anyway
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You guys seem like the right people to ask a couple questions about my new 383.

The motor is an L82 block with stock 76 cc heads, flat tops, a slightly lopy Comp hydraulic cam (can't remember lift and dur.) with a stealth intake and a new 750 holley carb. Basically a budget street motor for my daily driver.

Unfortunately, I had to have somebody else do all the work, and I am a bit unhappy. The guy who built the motor seems to have done a great job, but the guys who did the install and set-up turned out to be clueless I had to hook up the vacum advance, change secondary springs, make adjustments to the TV cable for my 700R and buy some new linkage pieces to replace their shoty fabrication (ouch) and disconnect my cruise control which was preventing full throtle. After all that, I have concerns about my timing and other tuning issues which I am a bit new to. The motor seems to be real strong, but want to get it perfect..... where should I start?

Oh, and down the road, I was thinking about a set of AFR 185's or 195's, which do yo think makes more sense?

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Originally Posted by batsmith
You guys seem like the right people to ask a couple questions about my new 383.

The motor is an L82 block with stock 76 cc heads, flat tops, a slightly lopy Comp hydraulic cam (can't remember lift and dur.) with a stealth intake and a new 750 holley carb. Basically a budget street motor for my daily driver.

Unfortunately, I had to have somebody else do all the work, and I am a bit unhappy. The guy who built the motor seems to have done a great job, but the guys who did the install and set-up turned out to be clueless I had to hook up the vacum advance, change secondary springs, make adjustments to the TV cable for my 700R and buy some new linkage pieces to replace their shoty fabrication (ouch) and disconnect my cruise control which was preventing full throtle. After all that, I have concerns about my timing and other tuning issues which I am a bit new to. The motor seems to be real strong, but want to get it perfect..... where should I start?

Oh, and down the road, I was thinking about a set of AFR 185's or 195's, which do yo think makes more sense?
AFR 195 eliminators are the way to go. For timing info check Barry K's post at the top of the C3 tech and performance page.
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