Be careful about HP numbers
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Le Mans Master
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St. Jude Donor '05-'07
Plus people are more concerned with creature comforts and listening to thumping bass noise than all out performance. My Vette will be strip-only and it will be a 4-speed. Coming off the line will be bringing the engine up to red line and dumping the clutch.
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Melting Slicks
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St. Jude Donor '13-'14
Yeah, the survey results were that 86.2% of guys with big motors wish they were me 
I guess that means most.
In case you missed it in my signature, I am drag racing the heck out of my car, little motor and little cubes, and that is what I was referring to when I said I was 'having more fun...".
But I guess you have never met a guy with a car that was 'too fast' and 'too nice' to actually, you know, race or even drive ????
Nah, that never happens.................
I guess that means most. In case you missed it in my signature, I am drag racing the heck out of my car, little motor and little cubes, and that is what I was referring to when I said I was 'having more fun...".
But I guess you have never met a guy with a car that was 'too fast' and 'too nice' to actually, you know, race or even drive ????
Nah, that never happens.................
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although I'll only be running dial-your-own brackets with my '82, I'll be joining the ranks of 'racer' soon.
Drifting
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HP is one part of every car and each car has different importance to every "part" based on the owners useage and interests, different chassis/suspension set ups if its a daily driver, sunday ice creamer, drag car, or road racer. HP can be measured in different ways leaving apples-oranges comparisons. Some manufactures Dynos are known for running higher numbers than others. Some shops will get more business if they put out cars and engines with bigger Dyno #'s.
ARE YA HAPPY....what the hell else counts. I would not want to take redvetracers car on a date nor would I enjoy taking a show C3 to the track......maybe i better rethink that statement.....what the hell I would enjoy both. Anyway every car is built for its own purposes, comparisons on anything are difficult unless they are together on the same dyno, track, etc.
Hey red, if I had 2 seats maybe we could take our sweeties to the drive-in
ARE YA HAPPY....what the hell else counts. I would not want to take redvetracers car on a date nor would I enjoy taking a show C3 to the track......maybe i better rethink that statement.....what the hell I would enjoy both. Anyway every car is built for its own purposes, comparisons on anything are difficult unless they are together on the same dyno, track, etc.
Hey red, if I had 2 seats maybe we could take our sweeties to the drive-in
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Wow big inch, big HP bashing, never thought I'd see the day but it has come I guess 
Now talking from actual experience and not what I think it is like, I had a warmed over 350ci that put out 300RWHP and 325RWT. Very nice little motor for a while.
I can tell you ( and it probably isn't a suprise to most of the C3 members here ) my 550HP / 510TQ 406ci is 4 times as much fun, actually there is no comparison. The motor is perfectly streetable, probably more so than the 350ci, and is a blast to drive especially with the 5 speed overdrive tranny.
I would think it would be hard to find anyone that would take the car with the 350ci over the 406ci ( actually my father would, but he's 81 ).
My motor goes on the dyno and my car goes on the dyno, kinda like to know how much power I made in my basement
Come to think of, the motor is so much fun I am building another in the basement right now, 18deg 427ci small block
Now talking from actual experience and not what I think it is like, I had a warmed over 350ci that put out 300RWHP and 325RWT. Very nice little motor for a while.
I can tell you ( and it probably isn't a suprise to most of the C3 members here ) my 550HP / 510TQ 406ci is 4 times as much fun, actually there is no comparison. The motor is perfectly streetable, probably more so than the 350ci, and is a blast to drive especially with the 5 speed overdrive tranny.
I would think it would be hard to find anyone that would take the car with the 350ci over the 406ci ( actually my father would, but he's 81 ).
My motor goes on the dyno and my car goes on the dyno, kinda like to know how much power I made in my basement
Come to think of, the motor is so much fun I am building another in the basement right now, 18deg 427ci small block
Last edited by MotorHead; Apr 10, 2007 at 09:04 PM.
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St. Jude Donor '07
Wow big inch, big HP bashing, never thought I'd see the day but it has come I guess
Now talking from actual experience and not what I think it is like, I had a warmed over 350ci that put out 300RWHP and 325RWT. Very nice little motor for a while.
I can tell you ( and it probably isn't a suprise to most of the C3 members here ) my 550HP / 510TQ 406ci is 4 times as much fun, actually there is no comparison. The motor is perfectly streetable, probably more so than the 350ci, and is a blast to drive especially with the 5 speed overdrive tranny. I would think it would be hard to find anyone that would take the car with the 350ci over the 406ci. My motor goes on the dyno and my car goes on the dyno, kinda like to know how much power I made in my basement
Come to think of, the motor is so much fun I am building another in the basement right now, 18deg 427ci small block
Now talking from actual experience and not what I think it is like, I had a warmed over 350ci that put out 300RWHP and 325RWT. Very nice little motor for a while.
I can tell you ( and it probably isn't a suprise to most of the C3 members here ) my 550HP / 510TQ 406ci is 4 times as much fun, actually there is no comparison. The motor is perfectly streetable, probably more so than the 350ci, and is a blast to drive especially with the 5 speed overdrive tranny. I would think it would be hard to find anyone that would take the car with the 350ci over the 406ci. My motor goes on the dyno and my car goes on the dyno, kinda like to know how much power I made in my basement
Come to think of, the motor is so much fun I am building another in the basement right now, 18deg 427ci small block
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St. Jude Donor '05-'07
Motorhead: I think you misunderstand. People aren't really "bashing" the stroker small blocks. They are just kinda old news now. Plus people seem to want to return to "those thrilling days of yesteryear" and get max performance out of a normal cubic inch engine. Again...it all depends on how you define "fun". Things are probably getting a little tight budget-wise for many folks, and what may have been a "good deal" back 3-4 years ago is now climbing out of many folks budgets.
And of course, you know my feelings on what a smallblock should be
Why should I spend gazillions of $$$ for a 427 smallblock setup, when I can turn 1/4 mile times in the high 10s with a teeny, tiny, relatively stock 302? Plus if I am gonna get a 427, it's gonna be a real 427, not some bored/stroked mouse
You are still stuck with quarter-size valves. 
Dep
And of course, you know my feelings on what a smallblock should be
Why should I spend gazillions of $$$ for a 427 smallblock setup, when I can turn 1/4 mile times in the high 10s with a teeny, tiny, relatively stock 302? Plus if I am gonna get a 427, it's gonna be a real 427, not some bored/stroked mouse
You are still stuck with quarter-size valves. Dep
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OK I read the whole thread and by the time I was finished it seems that somehow big inch small block was bad and small inch small block is good, I was shaking my head.
Anyway I don't really care, I love what I have, quarter sized valves and all and hope everyone loves what motor they have
Anyway I don't really care, I love what I have, quarter sized valves and all and hope everyone loves what motor they have
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St. Jude Donor '12
Well perhaps we should define "fun". If you get a woody "peeling out", that could be fun. But I have a webpage where a guy runs a SMALL SMALL smallblock. Actually, this is what I plan for my car. This is actual proof that you don't need "Mountain Motor" cubic inches to go fast.
http://www.z28camaro.com/oldrel.html
The specs for Strickler's Camaro are what I will be aiming for. Imagine this:
During the 1968 season, "THE OLD RELIABLE" Z/28 ran elapsed times of 11.70's at 116 mph keeping up with many Super Stock 396 Camaros! This was a stock Z/28 intake manifold and carburetor, stock hood, Stahl Headers, 5.38 gears, and nine-inch slicks.
Current Specs:
TECHNICAL DATA
VIN number 124378N411100
Build Date 04A (first week of April)
Color Corvette Bronze
Interior Code 712, black standard
Car Shipper Shipped on April 11, 1968 to Ammon R. Smith Auto Company, York, PA
Engine Data Cubic Inches, 302
Cylinder heads #3917291, completely stock, no porting allowed!
Stock rocker arms & valve springs
Intake 302 aluminum intake, casting #3917610
Carburetor Holley, #4053, 780 CFM 4bbl
Camshaft Crane, .480 inches lift, 272 degrees duration, valve lash, .016-.016
Pistons GM 302, .030" oversize
Horsepower 456 @7700rpm
Rear Tires 9" x 30.0" Hoosier's
Rear axle & ratio 12-bolt, 5.57 Richmond Pro Gears
Clutch 10 inch, three finger from Advance Clutch Technology
Shift Points 8200 RPM
BEST ET 10.80 @122.30mph
The website worked this moring but appears to be down for maintenance now. But the numbers above are lifted directly from it.
Note that there is very little of the big $$$$ goodies that everyone is running out and buying for their cars. Most everything on there is stock
Dep
http://www.z28camaro.com/oldrel.html
The specs for Strickler's Camaro are what I will be aiming for. Imagine this:
During the 1968 season, "THE OLD RELIABLE" Z/28 ran elapsed times of 11.70's at 116 mph keeping up with many Super Stock 396 Camaros! This was a stock Z/28 intake manifold and carburetor, stock hood, Stahl Headers, 5.38 gears, and nine-inch slicks.
Current Specs:
TECHNICAL DATA
VIN number 124378N411100
Build Date 04A (first week of April)
Color Corvette Bronze
Interior Code 712, black standard
Car Shipper Shipped on April 11, 1968 to Ammon R. Smith Auto Company, York, PA
Engine Data Cubic Inches, 302
Cylinder heads #3917291, completely stock, no porting allowed!
Stock rocker arms & valve springs
Intake 302 aluminum intake, casting #3917610
Carburetor Holley, #4053, 780 CFM 4bbl
Camshaft Crane, .480 inches lift, 272 degrees duration, valve lash, .016-.016
Pistons GM 302, .030" oversize
Horsepower 456 @7700rpm
Rear Tires 9" x 30.0" Hoosier's
Rear axle & ratio 12-bolt, 5.57 Richmond Pro Gears
Clutch 10 inch, three finger from Advance Clutch Technology
Shift Points 8200 RPM
BEST ET 10.80 @122.30mph
The website worked this moring but appears to be down for maintenance now. But the numbers above are lifted directly from it.
Note that there is very little of the big $$$$ goodies that everyone is running out and buying for their cars. Most everything on there is stock
Dep