Keisler conversion - rubber boots
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Le Mans Master
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St. Jude Donor '05
Keisler conversion - rubber boots
I assume that the round rubber boot that I see on this shifter is supposed to be under the trans tunnel ???
This boot then sits on top of the other boot above the trans tunnel ??
Is that round lower rubber boot usually included in the keisler kit or is it a homemade addition ???
This boot then sits on top of the other boot above the trans tunnel ??
Is that round lower rubber boot usually included in the keisler kit or is it a homemade addition ???
Melting Slicks
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From: Bogart GA
I would assume it is there to stop crap from getting into the shifter. And of course I did not get one of those. Again, I guess the magic word was "Bullet Proof"....
My tower actually sticks up a tad above the tunnel. I think the rubber boot would interfere with the tunnel boot. I think I will Just wrap mine with plastic or something. I think I will also fill in around the tower with some insulation.
My tower actually sticks up a tad above the tunnel. I think the rubber boot would interfere with the tunnel boot. I think I will Just wrap mine with plastic or something. I think I will also fill in around the tower with some insulation.
Last edited by KJL; Mar 22, 2013 at 08:18 AM.
Drifting
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That boot that Keisler put on there is to keep dirt out of the linkage. They did not put one on mine so I had to fabricate my own. I know they were getting tired of hearing from me so it was easier to make one than to bug them anymore. That boot goes under the one that is screwed to the top of the tunnel.
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Le Mans Master
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From: Orlando Florida
St. Jude Donor '05
I would assume it is there to stop crap from getting into the shifter. And of course I did not get one of those. Again, I guess the magic word was "Bullet Proof"....
My tower actually sticks up a tad above the tunnel. I think the rubber boot would interfere with the tunnel boot. I think I will Just wrap mine with plastic or something.
My tower actually sticks up a tad above the tunnel. I think the rubber boot would interfere with the tunnel boot. I think I will Just wrap mine with plastic or something.
I did not expect the shifter to be that high above the tunnel. The round rubber boot won't fit with the other rubber boot that bolts down to the tunnel.... I think a piece of flat piece of rubber glued to the tunnel with a cutout for the shifter tower will keep it clean....
Melting Slicks
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From: Bogart GA
Yours may be different. Check your drive line angles as well. I had to shim my rear mount up about 3/16" to get some of the drop out of the trans/engine angle. Should be about 3 degress relative to the frame. The rear diff should be parallel with the trans/ engine angle. I shaved the snubber mount to get the rear diff pointing up about 2 degrees. The trans is at about 3+. I found the centerline of the yoke is about 1/2" closer to the crossmember than It was on my 2004R. I would shim it more but it is already snug in the tunnel.
Last edited by KJL; Apr 18, 2007 at 10:12 AM.
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Melting Slicks
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From: Bogart GA
I don't see that, it looks like his is about even with the tunnel. Mine may be 1/8" higher. I also shimmed my trany up a bit as well. Looks like he did not do an auto conversion so he probably used an existing mount. I had to weld the lower ears on my cross member to bolt the mount to. Keisler was unaware that cross members without ears even existed. That was one of several modifications I had to make to this "bolt in kit".
Melting Slicks
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"bullet proof" ......
I did not expect the shifter to be that high above the tunnel. The round rubber boot won't fit with the other rubber boot that bolts down to the tunnel.... I think a piece of flat piece of rubber glued to the tunnel with a cutout for the shifter tower will keep it clean....
I did not expect the shifter to be that high above the tunnel. The round rubber boot won't fit with the other rubber boot that bolts down to the tunnel.... I think a piece of flat piece of rubber glued to the tunnel with a cutout for the shifter tower will keep it clean....
But hey, if you guys want them, let me know. I have literally TONS of them and I'll send some to you. Heck, I'll send you 2 or 3 if you really want it.
Richard
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Le Mans Master
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St. Jude Donor '05
Alright guys, This is why we don't include the Tremec round boot. We also found it didn't fit very well when using the upper and lower boots.
But hey, if you guys want them, let me know. I have literally TONS of them and I'll send some to you. Heck, I'll send you 2 or 3 if you really want it.
Richard
But hey, if you guys want them, let me know. I have literally TONS of them and I'll send some to you. Heck, I'll send you 2 or 3 if you really want it.
Richard
Melting Slicks
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Seriously, do you have a picture you can post of the "ears" you had to weld on? I have been here for over 2 years now and know we have sold 1000's of vette kits with a large percentage of them being auto to manual swaps and I can honestly say without hesitation, I have never heard from anyone who had to do this. As particular as Corvette owners are, I don't believe there is any way possible for this to be a widespread issue and we didn't hear about it.
Can you help me out on this one? Did you own this car from day 1? No mods done to it from anyone other than yourself?
Richard
Melting Slicks
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I sent Gene some before and after pictures and there is no evidence of the X-member being modified. There was no purpose for the ears using a Turbo400. I believe ShaneLU97 also does not have ears, he said he just used the top 2 bolt locations. I would think this would cause vibration issues. I believe he did have some noise or clunking issues. I think that if people don't have them, they just don't use them. Next time you get someone with vibration/noise in a older C3, it might be a good question to ask them. That bracket is not robust enough to use with only 2 bolts. I will look for the pictures and post them If I can find em.
Le Mans Master
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Keith:
Seriously, do you have a picture you can post of the "ears" you had to weld on? I have been here for over 2 years now and know we have sold 1000's of vette kits with a large percentage of them being auto to manual swaps and I can honestly say without hesitation, I have never heard from anyone who had to do this. As particular as Corvette owners are, I don't believe there is any way possible for this to be a widespread issue and we didn't hear about it.
Can you help me out on this one? Did you own this car from day 1? No mods done to it from anyone other than yourself?
Richard
Seriously, do you have a picture you can post of the "ears" you had to weld on? I have been here for over 2 years now and know we have sold 1000's of vette kits with a large percentage of them being auto to manual swaps and I can honestly say without hesitation, I have never heard from anyone who had to do this. As particular as Corvette owners are, I don't believe there is any way possible for this to be a widespread issue and we didn't hear about it.
Can you help me out on this one? Did you own this car from day 1? No mods done to it from anyone other than yourself?
Richard
I just installed a Keisler for a customer on an auto '71. Most early C-3's originally equipped with an auto have no tabs on the x-member.
Gary.
Melting Slicks
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I sent Gene some before and after pictures and there is no evidence of the X-member being modified. There was no purpose for the ears using a Turbo400. I believe ShaneLU97 also does not have ears, he said he just used the top 2 bolt locations. I would think this would cause vibration issues. I believe he did have some noise or clunking issues. I think that if people don't have them, they just don't use them. Next time you get someone with vibration/noise in a older C3, it might be a good question to ask them. That bracket is not robust enough to use with only 2 bolts. I will look for the pictures and post them If I can find em.
I could really use those pix. Gene has them on his hard drive somewhere but it would be faster and easier pulling teeth from my 11 year old daughter.
P.S. Were you being funny about the boot or do you really want one?
big_G: Since I haven't figured out how to include quotes from 2 different people in my response post, I'll have to include you here.
I am going to assume then that other customers did as KJL speculated and used the top 2 bolt locations? Is this specific to the Turbo 400? I take it the key word in your statement here is most? What about the Turbo 350? Did it have the tabs?
Please don't take my statements as condensending(sp?) I am merely trying to figure this out to better prepare myself for the next time this comes up. I can't believe I haven't had this issue yet. I feel like a schmuck.
Richard
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I just looked at an auto '78 and it has the tabs, as it uses the trans. mount extension just like the 4-speed manual. I think the turbo 400 has a longer mount distance, using the holes in the cross-member.
Melting Slicks
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WHEW, I don't feel so bad now.:o I knew something was up or I'd have heard about this before.
KJL:
I apologise I couldn't forewarn you about this issue. I didn't know. For the next guy/gal, I'll know better. Many thanks to you guys.
Richard
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