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Old Apr 28, 2007 | 08:28 AM
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I've recently bought a 1982 Silver Blue Corvette for my wife. She loves it but it stalls on her. I've run the codes and it shows code 24, variable speed sensor. The Haynes book shows possibly a TPS adjustment. I've done that and also replaced it. The next step according to Haynes is to check the ECM connection. I will do that today. Any more suggestions?
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Old Apr 28, 2007 | 11:06 AM
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I've recently bought a 1982 Silver Blue Corvette for my wife. She loves it but it stalls on her. I've run the codes and it shows code 24, variable speed sensor. The Haynes book shows possibly a TPS adjustment. I've done that and also replaced it. The next step according to Haynes is to check the ECM connection. I will do that today. Any more suggestions?
I could be wrong, but I don't know why VSS would make the car stall. I would think it is either spark, fuel or airflow.
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Old Apr 28, 2007 | 11:50 PM
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I've cleaned up the ECM connections and the car no longer stalls out. I'm still getting a code 24, VSS circuit. I was told that the TPS should be set at .52 Volts. It is currently set at .60. I will try that tomorrow. Now the brake light is on. Got a hammer?
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Old Apr 29, 2007 | 09:31 AM
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I've cleaned up the ECM connections and the car no longer stalls out. I'm still getting a code 24, VSS circuit. I was told that the TPS should be set at .52 Volts. It is currently set at .60. I will try that tomorrow. Now the brake light is on. Got a hammer?
You need to get it as close to .525 as possible. Varience of .007 (notice the 2 zeros) range of .518 to .532.

Brake light on? Check the plastic valve at the front of the brake booster. Should be one way only...you may be leaking pressure...it could als cause a vaccum leak in the engine.

Pull the fuse by the ECM to clear codes. After You need to go for a drive 2-3 miles at 35 mph to reset the IAC's. Car will run weird for a bit.

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Old Apr 29, 2007 | 09:30 PM
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The brake problem was a leaking left rear caliper. That's done. I set the TPS at .53 volts. The car runs great and does not stall anymore but the Check Engine light still comes on. Same code. I've disconnected the battery and rerun but not like you have told me. I didn't know that the TPS was that sensitive. I will pay attention to the third digit. I will try again tomorrow. Thanks
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Old Apr 29, 2007 | 09:47 PM
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Maybe the vss is bad , did you clear the codes after the tps adjustment?
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Old Apr 30, 2007 | 09:28 AM
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The brake problem was a leaking left rear caliper. That's done. I set the TPS at .53 volts. The car runs great and does not stall anymore but the Check Engine light still comes on. Same code. I've disconnected the battery and rerun but not like you have told me. I didn't know that the TPS was that sensitive. I will pay attention to the third digit. I will try again tomorrow. Thanks
.530 is pretty good.

Have you recently lubed the speedo cable? You may have grude on the VSS.? the signal goes to the ECM on the white connector. You may want to unplug and clean that connector.

The VSS seldomly goes. According to the shop manual its usually a connection. Or the photo cell needs cleaning. Looks like its a pain to get to. all components are in the instrument cluster(tach and speedo). Looks like three parts make the system work. reflective blade in the speedo spins an LED photo cell picks up the signal (this is the VSS) and sends it to the buffer circuit (part of the VSS) which sends it to the ECM. You may also need to check the connection at the buffer circuit (look up from underneath the steering column area you should see it).

If the front of the LED phot cell is dirty it won't pick up the signal.

If the reflector blade is dirty it will send a false signal.

If the VSS needs replacing i don't know where you can find one.

Jim
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If you need a VSS, you will need to post a want add on the forum here and keep watching ebay....you will find one from someone who has swapped over from crossfire to a carb. Good luck. By the way on the TPS, I have scanner that only reads to 2 decimal points and a 3 wont come up in the second decimal point so the scanner shows the TPS setting bouncing back and fourth between .52 and .54 so I am assuming it is set around .53. The car runs great but I would like to fine tune the TPS. BTW My car is the silver blue as well. Did you buy the one that was for sale in Texas by chance?
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Old Apr 30, 2007 | 10:24 AM
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If you need a VSS, you will need to post a want add on the forum here and keep watching ebay....you will find one from someone who has swapped over from crossfire to a carb. Good luck. By the way on the TPS, I have scanner that only reads to 2 decimal points and a 3 wont come up in the second decimal point so the scanner shows the TPS setting bouncing back and fourth between .52 and .54 so I am assuming it is set around .53. The car runs great but I would like to fine tune the TPS. BTW My car is the silver blue as well. Did you buy the one that was for sale in Texas by chance?
You need to use a regular meter. The closer to .525 the better. Aceptable variance is .007 up or down. If you don't have a jumper use two straightened paper clips. Attach the paper clips to the meter and insert the ends into the appropriate spot. Stand the meter up so you can see it. adjust the TPS with the ignition on but car not started. As you tighten the TPS you will notice your setting change...its real sensitive. So lets say as you tighten it climbs to from .525 to .540 difference of 15. Set it back to .510 and as you tighten the screw it should climb back to around .525....etc etc. A little bit of playing around is required.

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Jim, Does the TPS affect power at a stand still start or when cruising? Meaning if it is out of wack will it confuse the computer about the amount of fuel being put into the intake causing the computer to mis-adjust the system? I am sure it probably affects Idle speed.
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Old Apr 30, 2007 | 11:47 AM
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I think the acceptable range is +- .075.
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Old Apr 30, 2007 | 02:27 PM
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Er uh,

You got a VSS sensor code, and you are only looking at the TPS? Have you checked the VSS?
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A bad VSS will cause surging at speed and issues with overdrive.
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Originally Posted by bluesilver82
Jim, Does the TPS affect power at a stand still start or when cruising? Meaning if it is out of wack will it confuse the computer about the amount of fuel being put into the intake causing the computer to mis-adjust the system? I am sure it probably affects Idle speed.
Yes, it tells the ECM if your throttle is closed or open. the range is .525 to 4.5 volts at wide open throttle. So if the computer thinks you are a half throttle but actually at a stand still it will send way to much gas.

None of this has anything to do with the VSS.

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Old Apr 30, 2007 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry82
I think the acceptable range is +- .075.
Nope...its .007. Here is the range .518 to .532. Small margin for error .07 would put you at between .455 and .590...range is too big. I way back thought it was
.07 and couldn't figure out why the car didn't run right. Forgetting that extra zero makes a big difference.


Link to Tech article http://www.corvettefever.com/techart...ing/index.html

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Is this on a TBI or TPI,vss for tbi is 2ppm and help control t c lock up.
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82 is TBI...so I'm assuming its TBI.

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Old Apr 30, 2007 | 07:24 PM
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I appreciate all the response! There are truly people out there that want to help. I bought the car in Tampa from the original owner that came down from New Jersey. It has 50K miles on it. Please educate me on the VSS. The VSS is located on the speedometer cable behind the instrument cluster? Or is it on the transmission end? Good news is that someone said it rarely goes bad. Please help .. This is new turf for me now.
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Old Apr 30, 2007 | 07:29 PM
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Do you have a picture of the VSS? My book shows nothing.
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If you can locate a scan tool, you can get the reading off the VSS. Many car of the era had them. I used one off of a Celebrity for my TPI transformation.
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