shifter still hits console
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Le Mans Master
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From: charlotte north carolina
shifter still hits console
i posted this before, but have more info. i've installed dashes, the shift console, and set the e-brake cover in place on my 70 frame off. i swapped a muncie into a th400 car. the interior parts all seem to line up ok, so i'm sure that the shift console is positioned properly. i've shimmed the shifter mounting bracket with 2 washers (that's all i could squeeze in) and the shifter still hit the cover. then i changed the linkage to the short-throw holes, and now have clearance in 1st and 3rd, but not in reverse. it looks as though i need at least 3/8" more room. the body has about 1/2" clearance to the bell housing, so i can't move the body forward. any ideas?
Pro
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I also swapped out a Th-400 for a 4 sp. Had the same problem with the 1-3 shifter. Turned out that the linkage was loose at the transmission. Not sure if that's your problem but thought I would throw that out there.
Melting Slicks
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I had this problem after a frame off restoration. After I checked the linkage and position of the shifter on the transmission was done to the chassis manual specs I found the bottom of the dash had some cables and wires holding the console to the rear of the car. I was able to move the console forward to fix the problem.
Melting Slicks
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I have a similar issue with my Richmond 5 speed. The shifter is very close to the front of the console hole. I've debated about getting a shifter handle that has a 15 degree tilt to move it back some. I think the problem lies in how the shifter is mounted. Most of the manuals today have the shifters mounted on the transmission. I've seen some figures that show the original shifters in C3's being mounted off the x-member which probably set them back just a hair. Good for vibration isolation, but I don't think it does much for performance.
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From: Living in the Hartland
The rev rod has a threaded connection at the lever (arm), unhook the lever from the trans and rotate it around the rod to move it fore or aft as needed. The 1-2 and 3-4 have a little diff set up as you can see in the pic but still allow for the same adj.
Just dawned on me, it appears to be the same set up as the clutch rod.
Just dawned on me, it appears to be the same set up as the clutch rod.
Last edited by Fevre; Jul 21, 2007 at 09:43 AM.
Burning Brakes
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Hi
If you have clearance for 2-4 shifter and not for 1-3-R you should re- center the shifter handle by adjust all the shifter linkages in away that the center point of the handle will move back.
The center point is the point you can move the handle right to left freely.
Avner
If you have clearance for 2-4 shifter and not for 1-3-R you should re- center the shifter handle by adjust all the shifter linkages in away that the center point of the handle will move back.
The center point is the point you can move the handle right to left freely.
Avner
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From: Living in the Hartland
Hi
If you have clearance for 2-4 shifter and not for 1-3-R you should re- center the shifter handle by adjust all the shifter linkages in away that the center point of the handle will move back.
The center point is the point you can move the handle right to left freely.
Avner
If you have clearance for 2-4 shifter and not for 1-3-R you should re- center the shifter handle by adjust all the shifter linkages in away that the center point of the handle will move back.
The center point is the point you can move the handle right to left freely.
Avner
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Le Mans Master
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From: charlotte north carolina
avner
it's been a while since i installed the shifter to the bracket, but i believe that i remember that the shifter doesn't have any mounting adjustments, and that the centering of the shifer is limited by the non-moveable portion of the shift mechanism. this limits the ability of moving the shift lever back and readjusting the control arms. am i wrong, or am i having a senior moment?
jeff
it's been a while since i installed the shifter to the bracket, but i believe that i remember that the shifter doesn't have any mounting adjustments, and that the centering of the shifer is limited by the non-moveable portion of the shift mechanism. this limits the ability of moving the shift lever back and readjusting the control arms. am i wrong, or am i having a senior moment?
jeff
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I had this same problem after I installed new carpet, had it before too but didn't know how to fix it.
You need to move your console forward about 1/4 inch. The rear holes for the j-nuts are elongated so they won't be a problem.
It's not easy because the gauge cluster is sitting on top of it so you'll need to lift it a tad.
cc
You need to move your console forward about 1/4 inch. The rear holes for the j-nuts are elongated so they won't be a problem.
It's not easy because the gauge cluster is sitting on top of it so you'll need to lift it a tad.
cc
Burning Brakes
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Fevre: I don't think you have mach play without moving from center point but it's good to try this before he play with all linkage rods.
jnb5101: I had the same problem after the restoration and that what I did to solve the problem.
You right the bracket doesn't have any adj' only the linkage rods
has threads at the end to adj'.
jnb5101: I had the same problem after the restoration and that what I did to solve the problem.
You right the bracket doesn't have any adj' only the linkage rods
has threads at the end to adj'.
Last edited by avner; Jul 21, 2007 at 10:58 AM.
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Le Mans Master
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From: charlotte north carolina
thanks, again, everyone
the problem is that since the shifter is attached to the bracket and can only be tilted back by shimming the two front mounting bolts, and the alignment "tool" is inserted into the slot in order to operate properly, the lever is fixed in only one position in relation to the car/body/console. then the linkage rods are set to the trans, so they can't arbitrarily set to move the shift lever backward. i just don't see any way to gain clearance except by moving the shift console forward. and since it's already jamed under the radio, and the parking brake cover fits properly between the metal brace that makes up the rear of the seat area and the back edge of the sifter console, i'm at a loss as to where i can find any room.
the problem is that since the shifter is attached to the bracket and can only be tilted back by shimming the two front mounting bolts, and the alignment "tool" is inserted into the slot in order to operate properly, the lever is fixed in only one position in relation to the car/body/console. then the linkage rods are set to the trans, so they can't arbitrarily set to move the shift lever backward. i just don't see any way to gain clearance except by moving the shift console forward. and since it's already jamed under the radio, and the parking brake cover fits properly between the metal brace that makes up the rear of the seat area and the back edge of the sifter console, i'm at a loss as to where i can find any room.
Melting Slicks
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From: Ohio
thanks, again, everyone
the problem is that since the shifter is attached to the bracket and can only be tilted back by shimming the two front mounting bolts, and the alignment "tool" is inserted into the slot in order to operate properly, the lever is fixed in only one position in relation to the car/body/console. then the linkage rods are set to the trans, so they can't arbitrarily set to move the shift lever backward. i just don't see any way to gain clearance except by moving the shift console forward. and since it's already jamed under the radio, and the parking brake cover fits properly between the metal brace that makes up the rear of the seat area and the back edge of the sifter console, i'm at a loss as to where i can find any room.
the problem is that since the shifter is attached to the bracket and can only be tilted back by shimming the two front mounting bolts, and the alignment "tool" is inserted into the slot in order to operate properly, the lever is fixed in only one position in relation to the car/body/console. then the linkage rods are set to the trans, so they can't arbitrarily set to move the shift lever backward. i just don't see any way to gain clearance except by moving the shift console forward. and since it's already jamed under the radio, and the parking brake cover fits properly between the metal brace that makes up the rear of the seat area and the back edge of the sifter console, i'm at a loss as to where i can find any room.
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Le Mans Master
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From: charlotte north carolina
thanks again
i've checked for wires and other obstructions and couldn't find any. i even elongated the notches on the console that the two studs on the bottom of the gauge bezel fit into. still no room. i guess that my only option is to grind out a section of the shift plate and dress it up cosmetically as best i can. call me bubba!
jeff
i've checked for wires and other obstructions and couldn't find any. i even elongated the notches on the console that the two studs on the bottom of the gauge bezel fit into. still no room. i guess that my only option is to grind out a section of the shift plate and dress it up cosmetically as best i can. call me bubba!
jeff
