I do the same thing
Bellhousing alignment question
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Le Mans Master
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I was able to order that Dorman Part #14651 locally...
Carquest will have it for me in an hour. Guy asked what it was for and I told him that according to Dorman it's for conversion from Powerglide to Manual Trans....he'd never heard of it; and he says that when he gets it he's going to compare it to the standard Chevy pilot bearing.
I'm not sure anyone can answer this next question. How hard should it be to insert the pilot bushing? The last 3 that I have installed were pretty much difficult to get in from the get-go.
I'm not sure anyone can answer this next question. How hard should it be to insert the pilot bushing? The last 3 that I have installed were pretty much difficult to get in from the get-go.
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They're tight, I used a hammer and a socket slightly smaller than the bushing (bearing in my case) to drive it in. Tap it in lightly at first to get it started square to the bore. I bet there's a tool at Autozone that's made for this task.
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Le Mans Master
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Bushing I got from Carquest was incorrect...
I was suspicious when they said it had separated fromt the package....package was there (Part #14651) but not holding the bushing. We mic'd it and sure enough it was a standard sized one. Guy was cool, he tried to find me another one and said that was the last one.....he said he'd return it as "defective".
I went to another parts store (local place) and he searched 3 warehouses and found 2 bushings in Los Angeles. I ordered one and we're gonna mic' it when it gets here Monday. Only 10 bucks; so if nothing else I'm learning something.
Dorman Website is quite clear on the part specification:
Normal bushing:
https://www.dormanproducts.com/cgi-b...tegory_list=:0
Powerglide to Manual Tranny bushing:
https://www.dormanproducts.com/cgi-b...tegory_list=:0
I went to another parts store (local place) and he searched 3 warehouses and found 2 bushings in Los Angeles. I ordered one and we're gonna mic' it when it gets here Monday. Only 10 bucks; so if nothing else I'm learning something.
Dorman Website is quite clear on the part specification:
Normal bushing:
https://www.dormanproducts.com/cgi-b...tegory_list=:0
Powerglide to Manual Tranny bushing:
https://www.dormanproducts.com/cgi-b...tegory_list=:0
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Le Mans Master
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Got the undersized Dorman Pilot Bushing 14651...
...and it's way too small. I can throw it into the bore. Oh well, learned something.
Also, from Summit, received the adjustable dowel pins and roller pilot bearing. Tomorrow should be an entertaining day.
I'm tempted to use the roller pilot bearing, but the general consensus appears to be that I'm better off with a bushing.
Also, from Summit, received the adjustable dowel pins and roller pilot bearing. Tomorrow should be an entertaining day.
I'm tempted to use the roller pilot bearing, but the general consensus appears to be that I'm better off with a bushing.
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...and it's way too small. I can throw it into the bore. Oh well, learned something.
Also, from Summit, received the adjustable dowel pins and roller pilot bearing. Tomorrow should be an entertaining day.
I'm tempted to use the roller pilot bearing, but the general consensus appears to be that I'm better off with a bushing.
Also, from Summit, received the adjustable dowel pins and roller pilot bearing. Tomorrow should be an entertaining day.
I'm tempted to use the roller pilot bearing, but the general consensus appears to be that I'm better off with a bushing.
I prefer the bushing because I dont think the input shaft is hard enough on the tip to run on a bearing.
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Le Mans Master
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Pre-fitting the tranny....
Ok, I've got the tranny onto the bellhousing, everything lined up and went in....still a bear, since the clutch isn't in I could see that the pilot bushing was lined up with the input shaft. It's that collar to bellhousing interface that's a bear to get in.
Anyway, I installed a pilot "bushing", didn't shove it in too far and left it sticking out about 1/8", I can see (since the clutch isn't in) that it's ok for the pilot bushing to stick out that far.
I indexed the bellhousing; here are the direct dial indicator readings:
12 o'clock = +.0003
6 o'clock = -.0015
9 o'clock = +.0008
3 o'clock = +.001
I was fairly happy to attain those values. Anyway, right now I have the tranny on the bellhousing and I'm doing the output shaft rotation check. I'm not sure what to look for? If I put it in 1st gear and turn the output shaft am I just supposed to check that there's no oddball squeaking? I'm turning quite a bit of mass from the output shaft forward....what am I looking for? Any pointers?
I'm going to go stick my paw in the bellhousing and turn the input shaft in neutral....I'll check back in a little bit.
Anyway, I installed a pilot "bushing", didn't shove it in too far and left it sticking out about 1/8", I can see (since the clutch isn't in) that it's ok for the pilot bushing to stick out that far.
I indexed the bellhousing; here are the direct dial indicator readings:
12 o'clock = +.0003
6 o'clock = -.0015
9 o'clock = +.0008
3 o'clock = +.001
I was fairly happy to attain those values. Anyway, right now I have the tranny on the bellhousing and I'm doing the output shaft rotation check. I'm not sure what to look for? If I put it in 1st gear and turn the output shaft am I just supposed to check that there's no oddball squeaking? I'm turning quite a bit of mass from the output shaft forward....what am I looking for? Any pointers?
I'm going to go stick my paw in the bellhousing and turn the input shaft in neutral....I'll check back in a little bit.
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Ok, I've got the tranny onto the bellhousing, everything lined up and went in....still a bear, since the clutch isn't in I could see that the pilot bushing was lined up with the input shaft. It's that collar to bellhousing interface that's a bear to get in.
Anyway, I installed a pilot "bushing", didn't shove it in too far and left it sticking out about 1/8", I can see (since the clutch isn't in) that it's ok for the pilot bushing to stick out that far.
I indexed the bellhousing; here are the direct dial indicator readings:
12 o'clock = +.0003
6 o'clock = -.0015
9 o'clock = +.0008
3 o'clock = +.001
I was fairly happy to attain those values. Anyway, right now I have the tranny on the bellhousing and I'm doing the output shaft rotation check. I'm not sure what to look for? If I put it in 1st gear and turn the output shaft am I just supposed to check that there's no oddball squeaking? I'm turning quite a bit of mass from the output shaft forward....what am I looking for? Any pointers?
I'm going to go stick my paw in the bellhousing and turn the input shaft in neutral....I'll check back in a little bit.
Anyway, I installed a pilot "bushing", didn't shove it in too far and left it sticking out about 1/8", I can see (since the clutch isn't in) that it's ok for the pilot bushing to stick out that far.
I indexed the bellhousing; here are the direct dial indicator readings:
12 o'clock = +.0003
6 o'clock = -.0015
9 o'clock = +.0008
3 o'clock = +.001
I was fairly happy to attain those values. Anyway, right now I have the tranny on the bellhousing and I'm doing the output shaft rotation check. I'm not sure what to look for? If I put it in 1st gear and turn the output shaft am I just supposed to check that there's no oddball squeaking? I'm turning quite a bit of mass from the output shaft forward....what am I looking for? Any pointers?
I'm going to go stick my paw in the bellhousing and turn the input shaft in neutral....I'll check back in a little bit.
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Le Mans Master
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I got it all together.....
It all came together quite well...it wasn't as hard of a day putting in the tranny as it could have been. I've still got a little bit of noise at idle...I wonder if it could be my Centerforce DF clutch?
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Oh well....it is quieter....
Clutch doesn't have many miles on it, so I guess I'll just live with it. Actually looks to be in pretty good shape....it'd be a bummer if that's what making noise.
