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Old Dec 12, 2007 | 03:50 PM
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After many had tried to talk me out of it I had finally had enough with stock computer carb. It had alot to do with on going minor issues and alot more to do with finding a brand new Holley on Ebay cheap. Anyway I am changing the carb to a non-comp style and disabling the computer.

Isn't the 81 HEI the same as the earier HEI just with full mechanical advance instead of vacuum and mechanical?

Can it be changed over to the older specs by adding vacuum advance or module or ect?

Will the stock 81 distributor still work or will I need to change it over to a regular HEI? (76-80 vintage)

Will any of the new style HEI's work? (the small cap or flat top versions)

Will the distibutor wiring be ok or will it need changed?
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After many had tried to talk me out of it I had finally had enough with stock computer carb. It had alot to do with on going minor issues and alot more to do with finding a brand new Holley on Ebay cheap. Anyway I am changing the carb to a non-comp style and disabling the computer.

Isn't the 81 HEI the same as the earier HEI just with full mechanical advance instead of vacuum and mechanical? Nope, no mechanical or vac advance, its all electronic
Can it be changed over to the older specs by adding vacuum advance or module or ect? Not worth the effort, get a regular GM HEI

Will the stock 81 distributor still work or will I need to change it over to a regular HEI? (76-80 vintage) It will function, I don't know what the advance curv will do since the o2 sensor will be freaking out and there will be no TPS signal to the ECM
Will any of the new style HEI's work? (the small cap or flat top versions) Probably

Will the distibutor wiring be ok or will it need changed?
Regular HEIs need Power, ground and a tach signal, so yes you will have to make a couple changes
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Old Dec 12, 2007 | 10:03 PM
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What do I need to rewire and how?
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What do I need to rewire and how?
There should only be two wires going to the HEI, a red or pink wire for power + and a black - for the tach. I did a similar conversion on an 87 Trans Am a few years ago, and it was very straightforward. I don't believe any computer -controlled style distributor is going to run right, as there is nothing to change the advance. I traded my old CC stuff (carb, distributor, computer) to a guy who was restoring a car back to stock, so the cost was $0 for me.
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I just got an Accel hei for $20


Ok ...... Can I just change the distributors and the wiring is the same or not?

Should I unplug the computer or just leave it hooked up?

To me it seems I should just tape off the carb wires ,remove the check engine bulb and plug in the new distibutor. I just dont for sure.
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remember the TCC is controlled by the ECM also.
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remember the TCC is controlled by the ECM also.
What is the TCC?
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Torq Converter Clutch...Lockup conver for the tranny, this asumes you have an auto, not manual
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Torq Converter Clutch...Lockup conver for the tranny, this asumes you have an auto, not manual
Ok, so what do I do about that?
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Good question. I know the TCC lockup is controlled by Engine Temp, Vehicle Speed, Tach input...
Don't know if any other sensors or inputs are required. If thats the case, all you have is the TCC controlled by the ECM, so at that point I would go with the BTO Lockup kit.
Some of the other guys might pop in on this, Mine is not running yet so I can't check it that far
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I am planning on changing the trans to an overdrive type. I am not planning this anytime soon though. Will the trans slip or just not lock up at high speed? Will it really hurt anything other then mpg on the highway?

The part that sucks is the 2 things I understand the least are the computer and the trans.

Now I am dealing with both at the same time.
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I am planning on changing the trans to an overdrive type. I am not planning this anytime soon though. Will the trans slip or just not lock up at high speed? Will it really hurt anything other then mpg on the highway?

The part that sucks is the 2 things I understand the least are the computer and the trans.

Now I am dealing with both at the same time.
The T/C will not lock up. On your new trans, specify hydraulic lock up. Then you don't need any wiring at all. It can be done by modifying the valve body.
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Is there anything I can do to the current trans? What exactly do you mean when you say it wont lock up? Will it be undrivable?
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you have a lockup system already, the 4 speed auto your talking about is a 2004R or 7004R. Both have electrically operated TCC valve. You car is already wired for it. I would give a try and see how it goes as is. If it does not lockup without the carb and dizzy, you will nwwd to do a lockup circuit like BTO has. Basically it supplys 12v to the tranny thru a brake pedal sw, in the trans there is a pressure switch that only closes if the tranny is happy in 3rd or 4th.
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