Suck it up guys...
Le Mans Master
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From: Oquirrh Mountains
St. Jude Donor '09
You are only partially right. The below is COMPLETE BS though! You need to recognize the Chinese Government is in TOTAL control of the means of production. It is not at all a capitalist society as you describe; it's more like a **** concentration camp!
At heart, the real issue here is the truly abysmal working conditions faced by millions of Chinese workers--working conditions that are the reason corporations love China and love moving production overseas. China artificially suppresses wages anywhere from 47 to 85 percent of what they should be. In the Chinese labor system, people work twelve-to eighteen-hour days with no days of rest, earning meager wages, in factories full of chemical toxins and hazardous machines, and suffer sickness and death at the highest rates in world history. "This labor system is the reason, for example, that Wal-Mart saves 10-20 percent on its global procurement" (Harvard Business School).
If, by your reasoning, the Chinese (government) doesn't cut corners and manufactures only to specifications; then Mattel must have asked for all the lead based paint to be used on children's toys?
The Chinese build crappy parts because that's what they are told to build. The Chinese are quite capable of making high quality parts and do make high quality parts. It is not their fault. They are not some how inherently incapable of producing quality. What happens is a foreign company comes to the Chinese looking to produce a part. They say I want part X. Here are the dimensions and specifications and all the info you need. Tell me what you can do for me. So the Chinese company turns around and says here's what we can do and here's what it'll cost. The foreign company asks how can you make this costs less. Then the Chinese company starts making is cost less. This in turn usually means it will be of lower quality. Finally, the Chinese company makes the part to all the specifications, including cost, that their customer(that would be the foreign company) requires. Both parties are happy as they both have gotten what they want.
If, by your reasoning, the Chinese (government) doesn't cut corners and manufactures only to specifications; then Mattel must have asked for all the lead based paint to be used on children's toys?
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Former Vendor
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From: Social Circle Georgia
You are only partially right. The below is COMPLETE BS though! You need to recognize the Chinese Government is in TOTAL control of the means of production. It is not at all a capitalist society as you describe; it's more like a **** concentration camp!
At heart, the real issue here is the truly abysmal working conditions faced by millions of Chinese workers--working conditions that are the reason corporations love China and love moving production overseas. China artificially suppresses wages anywhere from 47 to 85 percent of what they should be. In the Chinese labor system, people work twelve-to eighteen-hour days with no days of rest, earning meager wages, in factories full of chemical toxins and hazardous machines, and suffer sickness and death at the highest rates in world history. "This labor system is the reason, for example, that Wal-Mart saves 10-20 percent on its global procurement" (Harvard Business School).
If, by your reasoning, the Chinese (government) doesn't cut corners and manufactures only to specifications; then Mattel must have asked for all the lead based paint to be used on children's toys?
At heart, the real issue here is the truly abysmal working conditions faced by millions of Chinese workers--working conditions that are the reason corporations love China and love moving production overseas. China artificially suppresses wages anywhere from 47 to 85 percent of what they should be. In the Chinese labor system, people work twelve-to eighteen-hour days with no days of rest, earning meager wages, in factories full of chemical toxins and hazardous machines, and suffer sickness and death at the highest rates in world history. "This labor system is the reason, for example, that Wal-Mart saves 10-20 percent on its global procurement" (Harvard Business School).
If, by your reasoning, the Chinese (government) doesn't cut corners and manufactures only to specifications; then Mattel must have asked for all the lead based paint to be used on children's toys?
As for cutting corners, of course they cut corners and they did so in order to meet specifications. Matel didn't say put lead in the paint. Matel asked can you make it for less? The Chinese said yes.
I don't know where things went wrong all I know is it's getting worse. There are two candidates that are standing in front of the world and preaching socialism and this country is eating it up. One of them will most likely be our next president. If either one of them get their economic policies enacted, the economy of this country will tank and everyone will suffer.
Le Mans Master
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From: Oquirrh Mountains
St. Jude Donor '09
It doesn't matter if China is capitalistic or not. The company coming to the Chinese to make the product are in the capitalistic economy. They are simply getting the product made. What type of economy that company that physically makes the product lives in does not matter. The only thing that matters to the company wanting the part is can they(the Chinese) produce the product and meet their demands.
As for cutting corners, of course they cut corners and they did so in order to meet specifications. Matel didn't say put lead in the paint. Matel asked can you make it for less? The Chinese said yes.
I don't know where things went wrong all I know is it's getting worse. There are two candidates that are standing in front of the world and preaching socialism and this country is eating it up. One of them will most likely be our next president. If either one of them get their economic policies enacted, the economy of this country will tank and everyone will suffer.
As for cutting corners, of course they cut corners and they did so in order to meet specifications. Matel didn't say put lead in the paint. Matel asked can you make it for less? The Chinese said yes.
I don't know where things went wrong all I know is it's getting worse. There are two candidates that are standing in front of the world and preaching socialism and this country is eating it up. One of them will most likely be our next president. If either one of them get their economic policies enacted, the economy of this country will tank and everyone will suffer.
It went wrong with Nixon and by continually granting them 'most favored nation' trading status. The Chinese then helped finance the BC's presidential campaign. He then opened our technology to them. He should have been - well, punished, I don't want to talk to the secret service. How's your Mandarin by the way?
With reagards to the leading presidential candidates, D or R; we're screwed for at least the next four years.
Pro
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From: Alta Loma CA
"I guess we can thank Billary Clinton for the mess he created. "
What did he have to do with it? Far more jobs have gone overseas in the current administration.
"There are two candidates that are standing in front of the world and preaching socialism and this country is eating it up. One of them will most likely be our next president. If either one of them get their economic policies enacted, the economy of this country will tank and everyone will suffer. "
The current administration put the economy in the tank. It gets worse daily only they don'twant to admit it.
I don't like any of the candidates. No matter who gets in don't be expecting any real changes. We needterm limits on all of them so at least some new peolple might try smething other than support what they want instead of what the people want. Since none of them seem to be worring about what the really needs.
What did he have to do with it? Far more jobs have gone overseas in the current administration.
"There are two candidates that are standing in front of the world and preaching socialism and this country is eating it up. One of them will most likely be our next president. If either one of them get their economic policies enacted, the economy of this country will tank and everyone will suffer. "
The current administration put the economy in the tank. It gets worse daily only they don'twant to admit it.
I don't like any of the candidates. No matter who gets in don't be expecting any real changes. We needterm limits on all of them so at least some new peolple might try smething other than support what they want instead of what the people want. Since none of them seem to be worring about what the really needs.
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It sounds like this is always a good topic to discuss, there is much passion around the need for communicating experiences with vendors, country of mfg and alike. Keeping members updated is a good thing, keep the discussion going. Forum = communicate! 
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Here's the story. I would rather sodomize a bear than buy Chinese parts or chinese anything for that matter. But until we "the collective consumer" stop buying the stuff they are ganna make it. We are in the middle of an economic war and the chinese are winning big time. I search for NOS parts for my vette and its nothing special but it brings me all the joy in the world knowing that she is pretty much all made of USA components. If more folks had my attitude we wouldnt be writing in this thread. Hate to sound so depressing but thats the straight dope. Untill the Whangs or Changs get into old vettes like us and want "correct" or USA manufactured things we are on a downward slope to the poorhouse.
But I alone will try and fight this battle if I have to.
But I alone will try and fight this battle if I have to.
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Safety Car
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From: Calgary Alberta
Here's the story. I would rather sodomize a bear than buy Chinese parts or chinese anything for that matter. But until we "the collective consumer" stop buying the stuff they are ganna make it. We are in the middle of an economic war and the chinese are winning big time. I search for NOS parts for my vette and its nothing special but it brings me all the joy in the world knowing that she is pretty much all made of USA components. If more folks had my attitude we wouldnt be writing in this thread. Hate to sound so depressing but thats the straight dope. Untill the Whangs or Changs get into old vettes like us and want "correct" or USA manufactured things we are on a downward slope to the poorhouse. But I alone will try and fight this battle if I have to.
But I alone will try and fight this battle if I have to.
Racer
Joined: Oct 2006
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From: Burnaby BC
For my 69 Vert I try and use only NOS, but that can't always happen, so I do my research and buy the best parts I can so I can still drive it 20 years from now. But even MSD of good old El Paso, Texas sold me parts that say "Made in China" on the bottom. When I called they said "All of our parts are tested 100% at our facility in El Paso, Texas and will not ship unless they meet our standards." I know not everyone likes MSD, but it works great in my baby.
At the end of the day you just have to say screw all the
and just be happy that you own and can drive one of the greatest things ever made, a Chevy Corvette! 
PS I hope you or the bear wear a condom
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