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Old Mar 14, 2008 | 09:45 PM
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I'm getting down to the last few bugs!
Under acceleration you can hear the fan belt squealing and at 2500 it continues to make noise.
It's a 68 427 390 and I'm using the original belt system whereby the WP and PS pulley is driven by the crank pulley and the PS pulley drives the alternator.
I was told to use a non clutch type fan for better cooling so I'm using a 6 blade fan with no clutch.
I've also tried a different belt on the alternator but not the crank, PS, WP belt although it's new.
It's not a very good system to depend on 1 belt to essentially drive everything but if it was done that way originally it should work and I do want to keep it original.
The fan is not original though and could it be the clutch fan slippage would allow the pulleys not to squeal?
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Old Mar 14, 2008 | 09:48 PM
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squirt some trans fluid on it and the squeal will go away.
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Old Mar 14, 2008 | 09:50 PM
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The V-grooves of the pulleys are probably not in perfect shape. The squealing is a symptom of slippage. At higher RPM, the belt is not getting good traction in the groove, and it's slipping creating the noise. You might try a thicker, as in wider, belt than stock, or maybe find a new set of pulleys.
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Old Mar 14, 2008 | 10:52 PM
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Clean the wear surfaces on the pulleys well and rough them up slightly with 400 or 600 grit sandpaper. This should give the belt some traction.
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Old Mar 14, 2008 | 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by dak82ce
Clean the wear surfaces on the pulleys well and rough them up slightly with 400 or 600 grit sandpaper. This should give the belt some traction.
I had the same pulley set up on my Vette & the same problem. Doing the above procedure helped but not for long & eventually even that did no good. The pulleys get worn & glazed after many years of service.

Putting something slippery on the belts will eliminate the squeal for awhile but if you're at all marginal with your cooling system (not unusual for a bigblock of our vintage) you don't want your belts slipping. I got tired of the squeal & bought a set of March pulleys- problem solved. You could shop carefully & spend less money on a set of stock replacement pulleys too. Good luck.
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Old Mar 15, 2008 | 01:16 AM
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I'd replace the belt as your old one is now probably burnt. When you do so, buy a premium belt as they are steel reinforced. The cheaper ones are not and will stretch and start squealing.
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Old Mar 15, 2008 | 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by dak82ce
Clean the wear surfaces on the pulleys well and rough them up slightly with 400 or 600 grit sandpaper. This should give the belt some traction.
yes... run a wire brush over them as well.
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Old Mar 15, 2008 | 02:14 AM
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Whoever told you to NOT use a fan clutch was an inept wannabe mechanic, in no position to give advice.

That being said, the solutions above will fix the squealing problem but I highly advise you to replace the clutch on the fan if it is in good working order.
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Not sure what other accessories you are running but on some of the original set ups there was a belt from the WP to the crank only. If you have the empty groves there try finding that belt and it will help. My small block uses a belt 36 inches long. Not sure if the BB is the same. Cured the squealing on mine.
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Thanks for the help!
I did sand all the grooves and the pulleys are new except for the PS.
DB, Jud, I will try a wider premium belt for the crank pulley and see what happens.
Les, I do want to keep it stock even though it's not the best set up otherwise I'd do what you did.
San Diego, Paul, I still have the old clutch set up and if all the above doesn't fix the squeal I'll try that.
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Originally Posted by c69vete
Not sure what other accessories you are running but on some of the original set ups there was a belt from the WP to the crank only. If you have the empty groves there try finding that belt and it will help. My small block uses a belt 36 inches long. Not sure if the BB is the same. Cured the squealing on mine.
I do have extra grooves but I'd have to use an idler pulley for adjustment as there are no other accessories. I have seen them in the catalog but don't know if they would work on my set up.
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Originally Posted by ENG40
Thanks for the help!
Jud, I will try a wider premium belt for the crank pulley and see what happens.
A properly fit belt should fit in the pulley groove and be flush with it at the top. Good luck.
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If memory serves me correctly (and it frequently does not), the damper to water pump pulley belt does not have any damper. It just gets installed & tightened when the W/P pulley is installed. If you have those extra grooves in those pulleys, just go to NAPA and get a good quality [and correct] belt. That should keep the other one from slipping. Oh, and since it has been slipping and is likely glazed, replace it, too.
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Let's try that again....

If memory serves me correctly (and it frequently does not), the damper to water pump pulley belt does not have any idler. It [the belt] just gets installed & tightened when the W/P pulley is installed. If you have those extra grooves in those pulleys, just go to NAPA and get a good quality [and correct] belt. That should keep the other one from slipping. Oh, and since it has been slipping and is likely glazed, replace it, too.
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Old Mar 15, 2008 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by AZC4Guy
yes... run a wire brush over them as well.

in addition to above you could try some belt dressing.
It gives so tack to the belt. It comes ia a spray can from most auto parts stores.
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Old Mar 15, 2008 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 7T1vette
Let's try that again....

If memory serves me correctly (and it frequently does not), the damper to water pump pulley belt does not have any idler. It [the belt] just gets installed & tightened when the W/P pulley is installed. If you have those extra grooves in those pulleys, just go to NAPA and get a good quality [and correct] belt. That should keep the other one from slipping. Oh, and since it has been slipping and is likely glazed, replace it, too.
If all else fails I'll give it a try but getting a belt that only comes in half inch increments to fit tightly without adjustment sounds impossible.
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Originally Posted by Jud Chapin
A properly fit belt should fit in the pulley groove and be flush with it at the top. Good luck.

If the belt sunks below the level of the pulley ridge, the pulley walls have separated or the belt it too narrow.
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Old Mar 15, 2008 | 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Durango_boy
If the belt sunks below the level of the pulley ridge, the pulley walls have separated or the belt it too narrow.
some of the HP Big Blocks had a special "deep" pulley and the belt won't reach the top. My mostly L-88 engine had this type. I understand that it was designed this way to prevent the belts from jumping off at high RPM. Not sure if the 390 HP version would have this or not.

Good luck
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It might have had it.....I doubt that it needed it (under 6000 rpm).
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I am running a stock clutch fan on my 68 427/390 with no overheating problems. Most belt squealing is due to the belt not being properly tensioned.
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