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Old Apr 6, 2008 | 04:17 AM
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Here's the problem.

Just bought a 1977 corvette and love the car. The interior is in superb condition and so is the engine. 60,000 original miles and it runs like new.

One problem that i have with the 77 is the lack of power due to the emissions crack-down of the mid 70's.

I have replaced the exhaust with dual exhaust, short tube headers and single chamber flowmasters, and a high-flow catalytic converter.

This has enabled my car to breath a hell of a lot better and i'd say i gained a good 30 - 40 horses.

Thing is, i got the bug and i want to know the absolute necessities for making my 175 hp heating element into a 300 horse powerhouse without breaking my bank.

Thanks a lot.
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Old Apr 6, 2008 | 04:40 AM
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300 HP?
Easiest way is to drop a crate motor in there. Other wise, yer talkin MAJOR engine build.
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Old Apr 6, 2008 | 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by chevr0letman
Here's the problem.

Just bought a 1977 corvette and love the car. The interior is in superb condition and so is the engine. 60,000 original miles and it runs like new.

One problem that i have with the 77 is the lack of power due to the emissions crack-down of the mid 70's.

I have replaced the exhaust with dual exhaust, short tube headers and single chamber flowmasters, and a high-flow catalytic converter.

This has enabled my car to breath a hell of a lot better and i'd say i gained a good 30 - 40 horses.

Thing is, i got the bug and i want to know the absolute necessities for making my 175 hp heating element into a 300 horse powerhouse without breaking my bank.

Thanks a lot.
-Tony
How do you have dual exhaust if you only have one catalytic converter?

My answer, nitrous. Seriously, make sure you have a 4 bolt block, if you do junk the intake manifold for a nice Performer RPM and get the squeeze, 150 shot and your motor should be fine.

Intake $125
Nitrous $375
Total = $500

It would be better to do heads, cam, intake and get some real headers. A lot of people around here seem to favor the Vortec head swap, you'll up the compression and allow the motor to breathe. Search E-Bay or a junk yard for the heads and call Comp to find out the biggest cam that will work with the Vortec heads.
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Old Apr 6, 2008 | 07:37 AM
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vortec heads from jegs, summit 1105 cam, headers off ebay, and used vortec manifold will give you 300 hp. $570 for new heads, $87 for cam kit, $70 for used manifold, and $70 for hugger headers...
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Shorty headers are not much better than cast iron ram horns. They are just pipes not true tuned headers.

Weiand 144 ci supercharger for about $2500
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Old Apr 6, 2008 | 10:27 AM
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Heads and intake manifold should be next, if legal in your state.
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Old Apr 6, 2008 | 10:36 AM
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try some 58cc 300hp head that came off 327.
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Old Apr 6, 2008 | 02:20 PM
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just to throw this in.. if you go with nitrous, you can fry the engine if it doesnt have the right parts.. so be careful, for the vette's sake
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Setup the distributor per Lars papers. Make sure you have 36* total advance at 3000 RPM. Go back and adjust the valves- back off until they rattle, tighten until they just quit making noise, then 1/4 turn.

Past that, it's going be intake and carb time. Then heads and a cam.
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Originally Posted by auctionman256
try some 58cc 300hp head that came off 327.
You can gets these heads rebuilt on ebay for about $350 shipped.
I also suggest summit racing cam about about .450 lift $95
with gaskets and all new valve train components should total out at around $600
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Originally Posted by chevr0letman
Here's the problem.

Just bought a 1977 corvette and love the car. The interior is in superb condition and so is the engine. 60,000 original miles and it runs like new.

One problem that i have with the 77 is the lack of power due to the emissions crack-down of the mid 70's.

I have replaced the exhaust with dual exhaust, short tube headers and single chamber flowmasters, and a high-flow catalytic converter.

This has enabled my car to breath a hell of a lot better and i'd say i gained a good 30 - 40 horses.

Thing is, i got the bug and i want to know the absolute necessities for making my 175 hp heating element into a 300 horse powerhouse without breaking my bank.

Thanks a lot.
-Tony
The best place to start is with how much $ can you spend.

It will be intake carb cam.. One way or another. You can put an intake on there for nothing. I would put a few hundred in a carb. Then think about a cam.
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Originally Posted by torqvette
...and get some real headers.
Originally Posted by gkull
Shorty headers are not much better than cast iron ram horns. They are just pipes not true tuned headers.


If it's a 4 bolt, it should take a 150 shot as long as it's jetted properly, tune it rich to be safe.
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Old Apr 6, 2008 | 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by gkull
Shorty headers are not much better than cast iron ram horns. They are just pipes not true tuned headers.

Weiand 144 ci supercharger for about $2500
I called up jegs and talked to one of their pros and he told me that the difference between shorty and long tube headers is a couple horsepower.

If you've never seen 77 manifolds, they are giant log heat sinks with a very restrictive flow. Them "pipes" are nice and cylindrical and have very little restriction, which is what was looking for.
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Old Apr 6, 2008 | 11:49 PM
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how many horses will that little maneuver yield?
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Old Apr 6, 2008 | 11:52 PM
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Sorry about not mentioning my actual budget, but its not really defined, i just want biggest bang for smallest buck. In this case, 300 horses in the cheapest way possible. WITHOUT NOS thats cheating.

Another thing, I don't want a bunch of chrome jutting out of my hood, so supercharger is out of the question also.
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Want more power? Then replace the camshaft with a OEM #151 cam. Its hydraulic and was the 350 HP camshaft in the 60`s 327 Vette engine. But you wont do it! Another low budget but very good change is to use those same 327 cylinder heads that matches the cam. One step better would be a pair of the 1970 LT1 heads. All very good OEM stuff....
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speed is just a question of money..... how much do you want to spend?
hp and budget dont mix

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Cheap, EASY way, buy crate from yearone. 400 HP under 3000 dollars
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Originally Posted by chevr0letman
Sorry about not mentioning my actual budget, but its not really defined, i just want biggest bang for smallest buck. In this case, 300 horses in the cheapest way possible. WITHOUT NOS thats cheating.

Another thing, I don't want a bunch of chrome jutting out of my hood, so supercharger is out of the question also.
Nitrous is not cheating, it is the easiest way to make big gains in power. If you take an hour to learn how to use it you will have many years of trouble free 100-150 extra power. 99% of internet experts who bad mouth nitrous have never run the stuff.

A nitrous system is nothing more than extra air and fuel, just like a blower or turbo, or bigger heads, or bigger cam, etc.
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Originally Posted by 69 N.O.X. RATT
Nitrous is not cheating, it is the easiest way to make big gains in power. If you take an hour to learn how to use it you will have many years of trouble free 100-150 extra power. 99% of internet experts who bad mouth nitrous have never run the stuff.

A nitrous system is nothing more than extra air and fuel, just like a blower or turbo, or bigger heads, or bigger cam, etc.
A nitrous oxide system introduces nitrous oxide into the fuel/air mixture. When nitrous oxide combusts it produces oxygen, therefore allowing a higher oxygen saturation level in the air/fuel mixture. Usually about 33% as opposed to normals air's 22%. This has nothing to do with how powerful your engine is, but how powerful your fuel is. It is a shortcut for those who neither wish to put in the time or money.
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