High Performance Engines .com???
Heel & Toe
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From: Dallas TX
Heel & Toe
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From: Dallas TX
That is the news that I want to hear
. I just spent close to 5K in the last 3 weeks buying parts from Jegs when I would rather buy it from a local store.
When will it be opening I know a lot of local folks here in dallas that will be looking for you guys also.
Please fill me in...
. I just spent close to 5K in the last 3 weeks buying parts from Jegs when I would rather buy it from a local store.When will it be opening I know a lot of local folks here in dallas that will be looking for you guys also.
Please fill me in...
The few local shops that would be similar, people just dont want to go to, except last resort. We are trying to do this soon. We need to do some remodeling on our current building and knock down some walls to set it up. Then getting everything situated with the vendors and such. Im hoping by the end of the year. This is why I relocated from CA to here a few weeks ago. Get the shop running and to get our HP Division running smoothly. I will keep you all up to speed as progress moves on.Thanks,
Brandon
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From: Lantana TX
Thats what I have been getting from alot of people The few local shops that would be similar, people just dont want to go to, except last resort. We are trying to do this soon. We need to do some remodeling on our current building and knock down some walls to set it up. Then getting everything situated with the vendors and such. Im hoping by the end of the year. This is why I relocated from CA to here a few weeks ago. Get the shop running and to get our HP Division running smoothly. I will keep you all up to speed as progress moves on.
Thanks,
Brandon
The few local shops that would be similar, people just dont want to go to, except last resort. We are trying to do this soon. We need to do some remodeling on our current building and knock down some walls to set it up. Then getting everything situated with the vendors and such. Im hoping by the end of the year. This is why I relocated from CA to here a few weeks ago. Get the shop running and to get our HP Division running smoothly. I will keep you all up to speed as progress moves on.Thanks,
Brandon
I was at the Denton 1/8 on Sat night discussing this with others there and everyone was excited.
Team Owner
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From: Lakeland, FL
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St. Jude Donor '03, '06, '17
I think that if the assembly is well balanced and built, the standard blocks are easily good to 700+ HP.. I had about 600 HP on engine and a 100 shot of nitrous on my old 406 on a 511 casting 4-bolt block with not a single issue with the block.. Raced that engine for over 2 racing seasons with zero issues with the block. Now I do have a Dart Iron Eagle block but my engine has about 950 HP with the 250 shot (even though I've only use a 150 shot so far)
Last edited by GrandSportC3; Jun 9, 2008 at 10:40 AM.
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From: Who says "Nothing is impossible" ? I've been doing nothing for years.
Wow GSC3 your motor keeps getting better, with every post the HP goes up, like a fine wine with age
If I were looking at a crate motor I want to know the part number of the parts that are going into it I don't end up with claimer pistons in my motor.
There is nothing proprietary about giving someone a build sheet with the Scat and Mahle part #'s. Every shop I have ever dealt with would do this, why wouldn't they ? Also any 400 block used for performance should have ARP main studs
If I were looking at a crate motor I want to know the part number of the parts that are going into it I don't end up with claimer pistons in my motor.
There is nothing proprietary about giving someone a build sheet with the Scat and Mahle part #'s. Every shop I have ever dealt with would do this, why wouldn't they ? Also any 400 block used for performance should have ARP main studs
Team Owner
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From: Lakeland, FL
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St. Jude Donor '03, '06, '17
Wow GSC3 your motor keeps getting better, with every post the HP goes up, like a fine wine with age
If I were looking at a crate motor I want to know the part number of the parts that are going into it I don't end up with claimer pistons in my motor.
There is nothing proprietary about giving someone a build sheet with the Scat and Mahle part #'s. Every shop I have ever dealt with would do this, why wouldn't they ? Also any 400 block used for performance should have ARP main studs
If I were looking at a crate motor I want to know the part number of the parts that are going into it I don't end up with claimer pistons in my motor.
There is nothing proprietary about giving someone a build sheet with the Scat and Mahle part #'s. Every shop I have ever dealt with would do this, why wouldn't they ? Also any 400 block used for performance should have ARP main studs
Pro
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From: Lantana TX
Wow GSC3 your motor keeps getting better, with every post the HP goes up, like a fine wine with age
If I were looking at a crate motor I want to know the part number of the parts that are going into it I don't end up with claimer pistons in my motor.
There is nothing proprietary about giving someone a build sheet with the Scat and Mahle part #'s. Every shop I have ever dealt with would do this, why wouldn't they ? Also any 400 block used for performance should have ARP main studs
If I were looking at a crate motor I want to know the part number of the parts that are going into it I don't end up with claimer pistons in my motor.
There is nothing proprietary about giving someone a build sheet with the Scat and Mahle part #'s. Every shop I have ever dealt with would do this, why wouldn't they ? Also any 400 block used for performance should have ARP main studs
I do not agree they have spent time and engineering resources on their combo and to just give it out would be stupid on their part and they would not be in business long.
On the other hand they should be able to list the basic stuff like comp ratio, carb, manifold, heads, etc but not give away the details of all the components.
If you look up the vast majority of builders do not give everything away. They may give you some of the info but not all.
It would be like giving away the details how they build a golf ball a lot of propritary info involved.
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From: Who says "Nothing is impossible" ? I've been doing nothing for years.
You can look in a Scat and Mahle catalog for 5 mins and come up with the parts for 406ci short block. Not allot of engineering involved there. Is the forged crank 4340 steel or 5140 ? What ARP bolts are on the rods? 8740, 2000, L19 etc. These are things anyone should want to know if buying any motor from anyone.
If it was a complete engine that has been dyno tested and they are selling it as a package from carb to pan I might tend to agree with you but I still want to know every part in my motor that's all there is too it.
I have seen this on this forum too many times, the crate motor bought on the internet blows up the guy takes it apart and it is junk with junk parts in it. Not saying this vendor is doing that merely trying to help another forum member here
If it was a complete engine that has been dyno tested and they are selling it as a package from carb to pan I might tend to agree with you but I still want to know every part in my motor that's all there is too it.
I have seen this on this forum too many times, the crate motor bought on the internet blows up the guy takes it apart and it is junk with junk parts in it. Not saying this vendor is doing that merely trying to help another forum member here
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From: Lantana TX
You can look in a Scat and Mahle catalog for 5 mins and come up with the parts for 406ci short block. Not allot of engineering involved there. Is the forged crank 4340 steel or 5140 ? What ARP bolts are on the rods? 8740, 2000, L19 etc. These are things anyone should want to know if buying any motor from anyone.
If it was a complete engine that has been dyno tested and they are selling it as a package from carb to pan I might tend to agree with you but I still want to know every part in my motor that's all there is too it.
I have seen this on this forum too many times, the crate motor bought on the internet blows up the guy takes it apart and it is junk with junk parts in it. Not saying this vendor is doing that merely trying to help another forum member here
If it was a complete engine that has been dyno tested and they are selling it as a package from carb to pan I might tend to agree with you but I still want to know every part in my motor that's all there is too it.
I have seen this on this forum too many times, the crate motor bought on the internet blows up the guy takes it apart and it is junk with junk parts in it. Not saying this vendor is doing that merely trying to help another forum member here
Lastly, I totally understand the create engine thing because mine blew up at the track on the first pass a month or so ago.
Not junk parts, but one thing I can say is that I am not making the same mistake again.
Burning Brakes
Joined: Mar 2005
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From: Salina Kansas
From my stand point, I would never pay that much for a motor and not get the part numbers and specs. What am I supposed to do when the thing breaks? What if I want to do some personal modifications?
Maybe they give the specs out to the customer after a purchase?
Maybe they give the specs out to the customer after a purchase?
Drifting
Joined: Dec 2005
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From: NORTHEAST
I am not a big fan of the old 400 blocks as we have 2 in the shop that the sonic test on the cylinders is junk and one has a crack from the cam tunnel down to the mains.
Dart has a new SHP block that is about 500 dollars cheaper then their Sportsman blocks all machined out and shipped they should be around 1795.00 and they come in a 4.000 and 4.125 bore version and both have 350 mains.
We have been using the Callies Compstar cranks as we have found them to right on as far as sizing and straightness and there around 550.00 and there 4340 material and the Scat 6 inch I beam rods with 7/16 bolts are a good choice and for about 125.00 more the Callies compstar rods are a little better choice.
Dart has a new SHP block that is about 500 dollars cheaper then their Sportsman blocks all machined out and shipped they should be around 1795.00 and they come in a 4.000 and 4.125 bore version and both have 350 mains.
We have been using the Callies Compstar cranks as we have found them to right on as far as sizing and straightness and there around 550.00 and there 4340 material and the Scat 6 inch I beam rods with 7/16 bolts are a good choice and for about 125.00 more the Callies compstar rods are a little better choice.
Heel & Toe
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From: Dallas TX
I think that if the assembly is well balanced and built, the standard blocks are easily good to 700+ HP.. I had about 600 HP on engine and a 100 shot of nitrous on my old 406 on a 511 casting 4-bolt block with not a single issue with the block.. Raced that engine for over 2 racing seasons with zero issues with the block. Now I do have a Dart Iron Eagle block but my engine has about 950 HP with the 250 shot (even though I've only use a 150 shot so far)
Heel & Toe
Joined: Jun 2008
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From: Dallas TX
Wow GSC3 your motor keeps getting better, with every post the HP goes up, like a fine wine with age
If I were looking at a crate motor I want to know the part number of the parts that are going into it I don't end up with claimer pistons in my motor.
There is nothing proprietary about giving someone a build sheet with the Scat and Mahle part #'s. Every shop I have ever dealt with would do this, why wouldn't they ? Also any 400 block used for performance should have ARP main studs
If I were looking at a crate motor I want to know the part number of the parts that are going into it I don't end up with claimer pistons in my motor.
There is nothing proprietary about giving someone a build sheet with the Scat and Mahle part #'s. Every shop I have ever dealt with would do this, why wouldn't they ? Also any 400 block used for performance should have ARP main studs
Race Director
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From: Who says "Nothing is impossible" ? I've been doing nothing for years.
We have alot of proprietary products on camshafts, kits etc...If I were to give some of the numbers out, you wouldnt be able to find them. On this particular one, we do not. However we will tell you what it consist of and if you want to upgrade you can. Alot of work goes into designing engines as you know...everyone has there secrets and combinations. We will custom build any engine, we have no problem using the parts you want down the last detail, but some get scared when they see the price
Heel & Toe
Joined: Jun 2008
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From: Dallas TX
I will be building a 434sbc 600HP for my Chevelle here shortly. Im just fortuante enough that I know alot of people in the game to help me out on pricing for my personal stuff....Otherwise I would be spending about 10K on this engine....
Team Owner
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From: Lakeland, FL
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St. Jude Donor '03, '06, '17
Wow...maybe in a big block, but myself any engine builder nor anyone I know would invest the amount of money that goes into these builds into a OE block or even make the claim that they are good to 700HP. Even if you get billet caps, sonic test the block, put studs on etc....the amount invested is almost the cost of a GM, Dart or World aftermarket block. On top of that you will have no doubt in your mind about your block being able to withstand it. The other thing I have to look at when buiding these, my company has to stand behind a 2 year warranty. We cant take the chance because a customer wants to save some money unfortuantley. This is why we offer shortblocks as well...they can still build what they want.
Last edited by GrandSportC3; Jun 11, 2008 at 09:39 AM.
