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Old Jul 11, 2008 | 08:18 PM
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I noticed in some of the vacuum diagrams that the 69 model uses 1 relay and later C3's use 2.
I would think GM did this for some reason or another. Anyone have a thought on this?
I am restoring 2 car right now, not C3's but they utilize the same vacuum systems as a C3. One of my cars has a single relay the other uses 2.
Since I am replacing or R&R the entire systems. I was wondering if I should convert them both to a 1 relay system or 2 relay system.
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Old Jul 11, 2008 | 10:02 PM
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I have a 69 with 1 relay and it works fine. But, I'm thinking that the general wouldn't spend a extra cent if he didn't think it wasn't better. Now if they went from 2 to 1, that would be a different story.
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Old Jul 11, 2008 | 10:24 PM
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I think GM went to 2 to try to make the lights come up at the same time.
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Old Jul 11, 2008 | 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DWncchs
I think GM went to 2 to try to make the lights come up at the same time.
Interesting theory. My '69 has one relay; one headlight (the right if my memory is correct) has always come up about a tick ahead of the left. When I discovered that later models have two relays, I wondered if the General used two relays to try to bring them up together.

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Old Jul 11, 2008 | 11:21 PM
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How do they operate on the down stroke..one at a time or simultaneously?
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69 = 1 wiper relay, it is plumbed to a T going to both R&L light Assys.

I would think 1 relay may be a bit slow opening the headlights,

but ...1 relay would also open both at the same time.

I would think having 2 relays, could more easily,
give you the lazy Eye Opening.

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Old Jul 12, 2008 | 08:45 AM
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My '77 had two factory relays. I removed one, split the lines, and now run one relay for both headlights. Maybe it was my system, but now the lights go up and go down a bit more uniform.
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i think the dual relays were done for redundancy, as most people like to have headlights at night.
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Originally Posted by Durango_boy
My '77 had two factory relays. I removed one, split the lines, and now run one relay for both headlights. Maybe it was my system, but now the lights go up and go down a bit more uniform.
I think when the system is new and each bucket has the same amount of restriction(springs and things)2 relays will get closer to both buckets going up at the same time.But as they get older things change,springs get weaker and the mechanism isnt as smooth and each bucket resists differently.Personally I dont think a second of difference between the two is a big deal but some do.On occasion I have the request to make them equal.The 2 relay is easier to modify by using a restrictor in "one" of the center feed lines-on the 1 relay system you have to restrict both of the outside feed lines(red@green).6 of 1 half dozen of the other
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Originally Posted by DWncchs
...The 2 relay is easier to modify by using a restrictor in "one" of the center feed lines-on the 1 relay system you have to restrict both of the outside feed lines(red@green).6 of 1 half dozen of the other
DWncchs can you expand on this? or has it covered elsewhere on the forum?
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Originally Posted by jetnoise
How do they operate on the down stroke..one at a time or simultaneously?
As I stated above, on my '69 with a single relay, one lags the other a tick or two opening. It's easy to tell because as they lock up, they go klunk-klunk - about as close together as when you read this. On closing, they seem to go down together, but it's not with the same "authority". They just kind of sink down quietly, with no discernible difference when they settle into place.

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Originally Posted by jetnoise
I noticed in some of the vacuum diagrams that the 69 model uses 1 relay and later C3's use 2.
I would think GM did this for some reason or another. Anyone have a thought on this?
I am restoring 2 car right now, not C3's but they utilize the same vacuum systems as a C3. One of my cars has a single relay the other uses 2.
Since I am replacing or R&R the entire systems. I was wondering if I should convert them both to a 1 relay system or 2 relay system.
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Jet, the only other cars I am aware of that use the operating headlight systems are the 68-9 GTO, and the 67 Grand Prix....

curious what you working on there.....I"m an olde tyme Pontiac man from WAY back.....
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Originally Posted by mrvette
Jet, the only other cars I am aware of that use the operating headlight systems are the 68-9 GTO, and the 67 Grand Prix....

curious what you working on there.....I"m an olde tyme Pontiac man from WAY back.....
MRVETTE It's not a Pontiac, WISH IT WAS A GOAT
It's a 1975 Canadian made car called a Bricklin
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Originally Posted by jetnoise
DWncchs can you expand on this? or has it covered elsewhere on the forum?
Thanks for all the input!!
All you do is restrict the vacuum to the fastest headlight.I use aquarium filter bubble rods,they are about an inch long and 5/16 diameter.I just put them inside the hose which will slow down the vacuum going to the actuator on the headlight.
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Originally Posted by jetnoise
MRVETTE It's not a Pontiac, WISH IT WAS A GOAT
It's a 1975 Canadian made car called a Bricklin
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Cool cars

Is that where Delorean took the design from? its almost identical to the Delorean coupes in the early 80s.
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Is that where Delorean took the design from? its almost identical to the Delorean coupes in the early 80s.

I don't think so but they are similiar in a many ways.
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Originally Posted by DWncchs
All you do is restrict the vacuum to the fastest headlight.I use aquarium filter bubble rods,they are about an inch long and 5/16 diameter.I just put them inside the hose which will slow down the vacuum going to the actuator on the headlight.
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Originally Posted by jetnoise
I don't think so but they are similiar in a many ways.

I use to work on a Delorean for a guy and back in the 70s I worked for a Cadillac dealer that also sold Bricklins.Had some real nightmare stories when it came to the doors.
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Originally Posted by DWncchs
All you do is restrict the vacuum to the fastest headlight.I use aquarium filter bubble rods,they are about an inch long and 5/16 diameter.I just put them inside the hose which will slow down the vacuum going to the actuator on the headlight.




Would the length of hose from relay to actuator make any difference in opening speed ?
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Old Oct 8, 2008 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by TERRY CLARK
Would the length of hose from relay to actuator make any difference in opening speed ?
I think it depends on how tight the actuator is and what kind of shape the mechanism is in.Changing the length "should" but I have tried doubling the length of the hose and couldnt see much difference thats why I went to restricting to change the speed.
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