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I noticed in some of the vacuum diagrams that the 69 model uses 1 relay and later C3's use 2.
I would think GM did this for some reason or another. Anyone have a thought on this?
I am restoring 2 car right now, not C3's but they utilize the same vacuum systems as a C3. One of my cars has a single relay the other uses 2.
Since I am replacing or R&R the entire systems. I was wondering if I should convert them both to a 1 relay system or 2 relay system.
Thanks
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I have a 69 with 1 relay and it works fine. But, I'm thinking that the general wouldn't spend a extra cent if he didn't think it wasn't better. Now if they went from 2 to 1, that would be a different story.
I think GM went to 2 to try to make the lights come up at the same time.
Interesting theory. My '69 has one relay; one headlight (the right if my memory is correct) has always come up about a tick ahead of the left. When I discovered that later models have two relays, I wondered if the General used two relays to try to bring them up together.
My '77 had two factory relays. I removed one, split the lines, and now run one relay for both headlights. Maybe it was my system, but now the lights go up and go down a bit more uniform.
My '77 had two factory relays. I removed one, split the lines, and now run one relay for both headlights. Maybe it was my system, but now the lights go up and go down a bit more uniform.
I think when the system is new and each bucket has the same amount of restriction(springs and things)2 relays will get closer to both buckets going up at the same time.But as they get older things change,springs get weaker and the mechanism isnt as smooth and each bucket resists differently.Personally I dont think a second of difference between the two is a big deal but some do.On occasion I have the request to make them equal.The 2 relay is easier to modify by using a restrictor in "one" of the center feed lines-on the 1 relay system you have to restrict both of the outside feed lines(red@green).6 of 1 half dozen of the other
...The 2 relay is easier to modify by using a restrictor in "one" of the center feed lines-on the 1 relay system you have to restrict both of the outside feed lines(red@green).6 of 1 half dozen of the other
DWncchs can you expand on this? or has it covered elsewhere on the forum?
Thanks for all the input!!
How do they operate on the down stroke..one at a time or simultaneously?
As I stated above, on my '69 with a single relay, one lags the other a tick or two opening. It's easy to tell because as they lock up, they go klunk-klunk - about as close together as when you read this. On closing, they seem to go down together, but it's not with the same "authority". They just kind of sink down quietly, with no discernible difference when they settle into place.
I noticed in some of the vacuum diagrams that the 69 model uses 1 relay and later C3's use 2.
I would think GM did this for some reason or another. Anyone have a thought on this?
I am restoring 2 car right now, not C3's but they utilize the same vacuum systems as a C3. One of my cars has a single relay the other uses 2.
Since I am replacing or R&R the entire systems. I was wondering if I should convert them both to a 1 relay system or 2 relay system.
Thanks
1st post
Jet, the only other cars I am aware of that use the operating headlight systems are the 68-9 GTO, and the 67 Grand Prix....
curious what you working on there.....I"m an olde tyme Pontiac man from WAY back.....
DWncchs can you expand on this? or has it covered elsewhere on the forum?
Thanks for all the input!!
All you do is restrict the vacuum to the fastest headlight.I use aquarium filter bubble rods,they are about an inch long and 5/16 diameter.I just put them inside the hose which will slow down the vacuum going to the actuator on the headlight.
All you do is restrict the vacuum to the fastest headlight.I use aquarium filter bubble rods,they are about an inch long and 5/16 diameter.I just put them inside the hose which will slow down the vacuum going to the actuator on the headlight.
I don't think so but they are similiar in a many ways.
I use to work on a Delorean for a guy and back in the 70s I worked for a Cadillac dealer that also sold Bricklins.Had some real nightmare stories when it came to the doors.
All you do is restrict the vacuum to the fastest headlight.I use aquarium filter bubble rods,they are about an inch long and 5/16 diameter.I just put them inside the hose which will slow down the vacuum going to the actuator on the headlight.
Would the length of hose from relay to actuator make any difference in opening speed ?
Would the length of hose from relay to actuator make any difference in opening speed ?
I think it depends on how tight the actuator is and what kind of shape the mechanism is in.Changing the length "should" but I have tried doubling the length of the hose and couldnt see much difference thats why I went to restricting to change the speed.