A Warning About Edelbrock Heads
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Melting Slicks
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[QUOTE=Ironcross;1566305471]You must know that Edelbrock manufactures racing parts. If a plug location works better in another position than all the rest thats to Edelbrocks advantage. Racers make there own pipes when they can get an advantage of a better head even by a few 10ths. He`s not making parts just to suit Corvette hobbyists. You desire his parts then you must make your own headers. Furthermore how many actually need aluminum heads aside from bragging rights.
I often wondered how many REAL racers are on the forum or any other one. I would call a REAL racer one that has gone at least 125 mph on a sanctioned course. That would include road and drag. I figure that speed would take some serious HP and a few bucks or more investment that a average racer could easily achieve.
Probably need one of those polls[/QUOTE
Dont know why you went off topic on being a real racer,But this includes all edelbrock angle heads,not just the race heads
.And about they make heads and we have to make parts to work with them,thats fine,but ADVERTIST what vehicles might have a problem with their product!!!!!!!!!! Also my pickup truck will best 125 mph.
I often wondered how many REAL racers are on the forum or any other one. I would call a REAL racer one that has gone at least 125 mph on a sanctioned course. That would include road and drag. I figure that speed would take some serious HP and a few bucks or more investment that a average racer could easily achieve.
Probably need one of those polls[/QUOTE
Dont know why you went off topic on being a real racer,But this includes all edelbrock angle heads,not just the race heads
.And about they make heads and we have to make parts to work with them,thats fine,but ADVERTIST what vehicles might have a problem with their product!!!!!!!!!! Also my pickup truck will best 125 mph.
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Road and drag, would one of them include 'straight line' racing? Because thats what I said. Also I included a real racer at only 125 mph. on a sanctioned course. Thats not a very high standard to meet. You go that fast, then maybe you need aluminum heads. You would also need some roll bar or cage protection too. So if you dont have a cage then all the heads are for is bragging rights at the local cruise night bench races. Shined up aluminum heads are positively a show winner....
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How about saving 60 pounds of ugly cast iron?
Or how about not having to sink a boatload of money into antiquated iron junk?
Or how about being able to run more compression?
Or how about being easy to repair?
Should I go on?
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Road and drag, would one of them include 'straight line' racing? Because thats what I said. Also I included a real racer at only 125 mph. on a sanctioned course. Thats not a very high standard to meet. You go that fast, then maybe you need aluminum heads. You would also need some roll bar or cage protection too. So if you dont have a cage then all the heads are for is bragging rights at the local cruise night bench races. Shined up aluminum heads are positively a show winner....
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I resemble that remark with my iron eagles. Now I'm all hurt and stuff.
Damn, you guys oughta calm down a little.
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They have been changing spark plug positions in chambers looks like
there moving a little higher up in the chamber, the latest dart aluminum
afr eliminator moved them, it would be hard for header companies to make different headers for everything out there everything keeps changing. Edelbrock or anyone else on a race head has to make changes trying to keep up with there competitions heads they can't say well we can't do this no one has a specific header to fit what we need to do. If your not in some serious competition where every little pony counts buy a large runner strait plug head, aluminum heads do save 35 pounds on a small block, you have to have more compression in an aluminum head to make the same power the iron head makes with a little less compression, the aluminum loses heat real fast compaired to iron.
there moving a little higher up in the chamber, the latest dart aluminum
afr eliminator moved them, it would be hard for header companies to make different headers for everything out there everything keeps changing. Edelbrock or anyone else on a race head has to make changes trying to keep up with there competitions heads they can't say well we can't do this no one has a specific header to fit what we need to do. If your not in some serious competition where every little pony counts buy a large runner strait plug head, aluminum heads do save 35 pounds on a small block, you have to have more compression in an aluminum head to make the same power the iron head makes with a little less compression, the aluminum loses heat real fast compaired to iron.
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They have been changing spark plug positions in chambers looks like
there moving a little higher up in the chamber, the latest dart aluminum
afr eliminator moved them, it would be hard for header companies to make different headers for everything out there everything keeps changing. Edelbrock or anyone else on a race head has to make changes trying to keep up with there competitions heads they can't say well we can't do this no one has a specific header to fit what we need to do. If your not in some serious competition where every little pony counts buy a large runner strait plug head, aluminum heads do save 35 pounds on a small block, you have to have more compression in an aluminum head to make the same power the iron head makes with a little less compression, the aluminum loses heat real fast compaired to iron.
there moving a little higher up in the chamber, the latest dart aluminum
afr eliminator moved them, it would be hard for header companies to make different headers for everything out there everything keeps changing. Edelbrock or anyone else on a race head has to make changes trying to keep up with there competitions heads they can't say well we can't do this no one has a specific header to fit what we need to do. If your not in some serious competition where every little pony counts buy a large runner strait plug head, aluminum heads do save 35 pounds on a small block, you have to have more compression in an aluminum head to make the same power the iron head makes with a little less compression, the aluminum loses heat real fast compaired to iron.
Melting Slicks
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That's good to know. Customer service makes all the difference.
I don't understand why you can't run headers with these heads. What interferes? Have you tried the dynomax headers? They have lots of clearance in all directions.
I don't understand why you can't run headers with these heads. What interferes? Have you tried the dynomax headers? They have lots of clearance in all directions.
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I talked to edelbrock,and they said their is no header out there that will work right,you have to have custom headers made.My point is if they would have told me and others about that little unknown problem,we would not have bought their product.Just gives me the feeling i got sucker wrote on my forehead.not to mention alot of others.Also the problem with the heads is you cant put a spark plug in the number 6 plug hole.
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I would argue that!
Old Vic was a racer at one time and it turned into pure money and a gold mine.
They make half *** urban plow boy HP improvement parts. None of it is real race parts. You do not see his top of the line V.J. crap on any real race car. You pay for what you get.
Old Vic was a racer at one time and it turned into pure money and a gold mine.
They make half *** urban plow boy HP improvement parts. None of it is real race parts. You do not see his top of the line V.J. crap on any real race car. You pay for what you get.
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Its about being upfront and honest about a product and a disclaimer about fitment would seem appropiate in this case to me...Example: Intake manifolds fitting under Corvette hoods. Edelbrock tells you up front which ones won't fit in their spec pages...Sounds like they missed this one to me...Maybe if the person fielding calls at Edelbrock had expressed concern and offered an alternative instead of apathy and rudeness by hanging up they'd still have a satisfied customer willing to spend a thousand bucks...I'd get his name and ask to speak to his superviser about the fitment problem and the problem with the technical support person. I'm sure old Vic wouldn't be happy about the way you were treated on the phone.
One more thing...Just because a product is made in the USA by Americans, does not make a product exempt from criticism or the necessary disclaimers for consumers.
Thanks for making me aware of this potential mis-match of parts related to C-3's, but I will continue to purchase other Edelbock parts in the future.
One more thing...Just because a product is made in the USA by Americans, does not make a product exempt from criticism or the necessary disclaimers for consumers.
Thanks for making me aware of this potential mis-match of parts related to C-3's, but I will continue to purchase other Edelbock parts in the future.
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Just to add another point.... I have the Edelbrock Etec 200 straight plug heads. Yes, the headers I had on my old original iron heads did fit, but they came too close to the ignition leads and I had issues with shorting out after insulation burnt through.
I tried different lead caps (45* angled and 90*) and tried heat insulated socks, but still had issues.
Not too many alternatives available for the very low production number of '68 right hand drive corvettes....
I bit the bullet and had some custom 1.75" tri-Y headers built.
Pricey, but work very well. By routing them specifically for my vehicle, I have reduced heat in cabin, and kept the heat away from the starter, and can access all the plugs for easy removal as well as gained an increase in mid range torque and peak power.
Problem solved.
I tried different lead caps (45* angled and 90*) and tried heat insulated socks, but still had issues.
Not too many alternatives available for the very low production number of '68 right hand drive corvettes....
I bit the bullet and had some custom 1.75" tri-Y headers built.
Pricey, but work very well. By routing them specifically for my vehicle, I have reduced heat in cabin, and kept the heat away from the starter, and can access all the plugs for easy removal as well as gained an increase in mid range torque and peak power.
Problem solved.
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this is a good post and may just save someone in the future of getting caught out as well.its a shame its happened to you and even more dissapointing from edelbrock not to at least show a little more interest in the problem but you did only get one person and he could be captain ******. sounds like the best way is too sort through the best headers you like that do ALMOST fit and have them modified by a shop to work.
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I talked to edelbrock,and they said their is no header out there that will work right,you have to have custom headers made.My point is if they would have told me and others about that little unknown problem,we would not have bought their product.Just gives me the feeling i got sucker wrote on my forehead.not to mention alot of others.Also the problem with the heads is you cant put a spark plug in the number 6 plug hole.
Or have an exhaust shop bend that one primary tube around the #6 hole. I don't see how those heads could be that different.