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Old Aug 6, 2008 | 02:30 PM
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ok ive heard about ppl rigging up the C4 headlight motors in their C3's to get rid of the confused vacuum system that always leaks. what im wondering is, does anybody make a kit for electric pop-up lights or do you have to convert the C4's yourself???
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Old Aug 6, 2008 | 02:50 PM
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ok ive heard about ppl rigging up the C4 headlight motors in their C3's to get rid of the confused vacuum system that always leaks. what im wondering is, does anybody make a kit for electric pop-up lights or do you have to convert the C4's yourself???

Here is the kit you were asking about.

http://mcspeed.homestead.com/Our_Products.html

However, I think I will add that the vacuum system does in fact work very well, and it's not that hard to shore up leaks by replacing a few hoses and relatively inexpensive parts.

The electric motors are very expensive, so are the switches, and that even only buying them once. Read through the C4 section, as well as Camaro and Firebird forums, and you'll see all kinds of situations where their stock headlights fail.

They have to buy the expensive gears, motors, and switches to fix theirs. You might have to buy some rubber hose.

So, it depends on what's more important.

I plan to go to fixed headlights, and erase both ideas from the chalk board.
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Old Aug 6, 2008 | 03:02 PM
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thanks for the info durango thats exactly what i was looking for, and my boss (who i am building the car for) asked if there was a way to make them electric. if it was up to me i wouldnt want to spend all that $ but its not and thats y he's the boss. lol, thanks again
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I used motors that I took out of a Firebird Trans Am at a local salvage yard. You can get more info about donor motors at the mcspeed web site DB posted.
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I did the conversion and followed Chris's instructions (the mcspeed website).
I used firebird motors and a c4 headlight module.
You can do this conversion pretty cheap if you source your parts from a junk yard. The install isn't too bad. I went to the firebird headlight motors with the c4 vette module so I wouldn't have to mess with my stock headlight switch.

I did this b/c I knew the engine i was running was going to have a lumpy cam and vacume could be an issue to run the vacume system. PLUS hunting down a leak is not such an easy task. And if your leak happens to be one of those big tin actuators behind the headlights those puppies are more expensive then any electric motors.
I read up on the electric motors on other sites and being a former firebird owner I know the plastic gears in the electric motors wear down over time, you can buy brass replacement gears at that point. I like running the plastic gears so if the system ever freaks out it doesn't burn up the motor just the plastic gear.
The c4 headlight module stops the firebird actuators once their is a significant amount of resistance and shuts them off, so when the lights open and hit their full extension the c4 module shuts the firebird motors off, same when they close. Pretty neat.
I have the vacume system on my 74 and my dads 78 and I get so tired of following hoses and having my headlight only open half way b/c of a tiny leak.
Other benefit is you won't have vacume hoses running all around the engine compartment, i wanted a clean look and the electric headlight wires are minimal compared to all the vacume hoses.
I enjoy the electric headlight setup and it fits well with the somewhat clean restorod/hotrod look i'm going for.
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i have new OEM motor sets for 88-90 for $289
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