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Old Aug 29, 2008 | 08:32 PM
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My 383 (550 HP on race fuel, runs like crap on pump gas) is being replaced under warranty and the builder gave me an option: he can build me a new 383, but with different heads so it will run as well on 93 as this one did on pump gas, or build me a 402 instead, which would also run around 550 HP, but on 93 octane instead so I wouldn't have to cut it with race fuel.

Is there any reason not to do the 402?
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Great HP numbers but how will that affect your bottom end power?
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That's what I'm not sure of - would the 402 be a better choice or should I just get another 383? I don't care if it's more power than before, I'm just thinking in terms of reliability etc. Broke one rod already with the 383 (and I wasn't really hot-rodding it either, in fact I haven't even been to the track with it yet) and now there is another knock, so the whole thing is being replaced. He gave me the option of the 402, said he could put in a rev limiter at 5800 RPM's and it would still make as much power as the 383 did without one, and it would run as well on pump gas as this one did on 110 octane.

Seems like a better option on the surface, but wanted some other opinions before I gave him the go ahead on the 402.

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This 402, will be a small block?..... If given the option, I'd go for the 402. It's easier to make power with more cubes and the engine will be more street friendly with more peak torque to go along with your horsepower.
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Rather than the size of the motor- I'd worry more about what was done wrong to break stuff. Bad workmanship (didn't balance) or cheap parts?

The more cubes the better!!!


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Get the best replacement 'quality' engine/parts you can from him(regarless of CI) and take them to a new builder.
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Old Aug 30, 2008 | 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Ron R
My 383 (550 HP on race fuel, runs like crap on pump gas) is being replaced under warranty and the builder gave me an option: he can build me a new 383, but with different heads so it will run as well on 93 as this one did on pump gas, or build me a 402 instead, which would also run around 550 HP, but on 93 octane instead so I wouldn't have to cut it with race fuel.

Is there any reason not to do the 402?
I have a 78 383 stroker that I built myself with some guidance from a friendly machinist. It's full roller with forged internals (H beam rods). My machinist fully balanced my crank with the flywheel on it. It's hard to mess up a motor with some light guidance. I built it myself so that I knew it was done right- down to the crank bolts. I would find another motor guy, because it sounds like he messed something up. My 383 runs on 93 octane- I went with -12cc inverted dome pistons which create 9.8:1 compression. I am partial to the 383 because you can create a little more high end RPM, the 402 might be more restrictive but offer more torque- it's a tradeoff and personal preference..- Daddybugs out.
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Originally Posted by Ron R
My 383 (550 HP on race fuel, runs like crap on pump gas) is being replaced under warranty and the builder gave me an option: he can build me a new 383, but with different heads so it will run as well on 93 as this one did on pump gas, or build me a 402 instead, which would also run around 550 HP, but on 93 octane instead so I wouldn't have to cut it with race fuel.

Is there any reason not to do the 402?
First off your being BS'ed if your making 550 hp at sub 6000 rpm. Find a real engine builder

Real engine builders don't make 383's or 402's I would believe a 396 or 408

Real motors do not break rods. I've built and owned 9000+ rpm small blocks and valve trains always fail first.

Tell me what you want and our shop will build it for you. or just get online and get a bad as pump gas motor.

I don't build 383's because for the same price you can do a 396. Solid roller and do 7500 every day you hop in it.

I have a 434 in My Vette
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I don't build 383's because for the same price you can do a 396. Solid roller and do 7500 every day you hop in it.

I have a 434 in My Vette



Three words:

Torque moves mass!

So if you got MASS you want to move massively fast.... massively pack you engine compartment with as much mass as you can.

Or in my Gixxer world...... There is NO replacement for displacement.
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