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Old Sep 30, 2008 | 11:20 AM
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Hello, I have a 79 Vette. I rebuilt the engine with the help of my machine shop. It runs great, except when I went to time it. When using the timing gun, I can't even see the balancer mark. I turned the distributer both ways, no balancer mark. All I see is the timing plate on the timing cover. I think the balancer mark is pointing down to the floor? How can I correct this? Thanks, Al
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Old Sep 30, 2008 | 11:39 AM
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Just a thought - is the timing light hooked up to some plug wire other than #1?
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Old Sep 30, 2008 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Al Davis
Hello, I have a 79 Vette. I rebuilt the engine with the help of my machine shop. It runs great, except when I went to time it. When using the timing gun, I can't even see the balancer mark. I turned the distributer both ways, no balancer mark. All I see is the timing plate on the timing cover. I think the balancer mark is pointing down to the floor? How can I correct this? Thanks, Al

Is the line white? Try filling the line in with a white paint pen or some White Out or something.

If the mark is still not visible, try going back to basics.

Remove the #1 plug, and bump the engine over to 0 on the mark when air forces out of the cylinder past your finger. That's TDC for sure. Then pull the distributor cap, and verify the rotor is pointing to the #1 plug wire.

If that checks out, the timing light may be bad.
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Old Sep 30, 2008 | 04:13 PM
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Just like DurangoBoy said, but keep in mind that the hub and ring of the balancer may have slipped if it's the old one you are re-using. Also, if it's a dial back timing light make sure it's set to zero.
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Old Sep 30, 2008 | 04:57 PM
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Try connecting the timing light on plug #6 and see if the timing mark shows up. #6 is 180 degrees off from #1.
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Originally Posted by 7T1vette
Try connecting the timing light on plug #6 and see if the timing mark shows up. #6 is 180 degrees off from #1.

I found a MOPAR once that was timed from #6...I always wondered if a SBC would work the same way.
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Old Sep 30, 2008 | 05:32 PM
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i just set mine and had to use #6
it depends on if the cam/crank timing chainmarks were lined up at 6/12 or 12/12
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Al, just to be sure, you're using the drivers side front cylinder right?
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IMHO, I'd just use a piston stop and be *sure* where TDC is.
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Originally Posted by Durango_Boy
I found a MOPAR once that was timed from #6...I always wondered if a SBC would work the same way.
#1 and #6 are companion cylinders; they're both at TDC at the same time, but on different strokes.

FYI, this is why so many people install the distributor off 180 degrees - lining up the timing marks as the books all show puts the engine at TDC compression #6 - not #1
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I did use the original balancer which may have slipped over time. Also, its interesting that my distributer might be off 180. Thanks, Al
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Originally Posted by Al Davis
I did use the original balancer which may have slipped over time. Also, its interesting that my distributer might be off 180. Thanks, Al
If your car runs, your distributor is not 180° out.
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Originally Posted by DRIVESHAFT
If your car runs, your distributor is not 180° out.

My thoughts exactly...and if the engine cannot run being 180 off then the engine can't be times from #6. I know it's the companion cylinder to #1 but no matter how the marks on the gears are lined up you always end up with TDC being on #1 when the rotor points to #1.
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Folks, my suggestion wasn't that it was 180 out...my suggestion was that he VERIFY TDC by the only means available if the engine's in the car
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I agree with the outer ring slipping on the balancer. Mine did so bad a number of years back that it started wearing into the timing cover before I discovered it.
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Old Oct 1, 2008 | 02:58 PM
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The engine starts right up, runs and drives great. It has to be that the balancer has slipped over time. I can get the timing close by driving it. I appreciate everyone's help. Al
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Originally Posted by billla
Folks, my suggestion wasn't that it was 180 out...my suggestion was that he VERIFY TDC by the only means available if the engine's in the car
I knew that YOU knew better, but the OP didnt.
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