patriot heads
Drifting
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From: l In
I know a little about cylinder heads. I am the number one seller in the world of so called, "knock off heads" and have spent a good bit of time testing them litterley to death. You can't imagine what issues we go through making sure companies that cast these heads try and improve them in ways we know are best. Some of the companies will listen and those are the ones we buy from. Many of these companies have very little true knowledge about cylinder heads. We do have such knowledge about them. I have noticed that some people are spewing low level wisdom on the subject, and I would like to be part of your forum, and contribute my two cents in on the subject. As I said I'm the number one seller of such items, and I'm the number one seller in the world on ebay motors, with the highest score rating %
I promise not to mislead you guys in any way to gain sales, as I enjoy what I do, and do not like seing people mislead, not to mention I'm a forum junky from way back. My personal taste for cars have been euro exotics lately, so I've been spending a lot of time in the non-Chevy forums. I'll think I need to spend time in what puts bread on my table, and that's Chevy power.
I do hope I'm welcome on this forum. As far as what this post is about. I'll sum it up by saying much has changed with our line of heads in the recent months. We are allways offering input to the manufactors of these heads. Some listen, some don't. We know all to well about quality issues. One thing for sure, if the heads are not what they should be, we don't sell them. Cost is an important factor, but quality is formost important to us.
Skip White
I promise not to mislead you guys in any way to gain sales, as I enjoy what I do, and do not like seing people mislead, not to mention I'm a forum junky from way back. My personal taste for cars have been euro exotics lately, so I've been spending a lot of time in the non-Chevy forums. I'll think I need to spend time in what puts bread on my table, and that's Chevy power.
I do hope I'm welcome on this forum. As far as what this post is about. I'll sum it up by saying much has changed with our line of heads in the recent months. We are allways offering input to the manufactors of these heads. Some listen, some don't. We know all to well about quality issues. One thing for sure, if the heads are not what they should be, we don't sell them. Cost is an important factor, but quality is formost important to us.
Skip White
I think you may sell a lot of heads but you are also full of crap!
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St. Jude Donor '05
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I can see that some of you guys are a bunch of idiots. My God, you had to use thicker intake gaskets on your heads, what a nightmare. I'm the number one seller on this planet of the few low cost heads on the market, and have the highest rated score ever known in the world of ebay, and all I have heard in the very few posts I've made are insinuating remarks towards me. I posted on the Viper forum for many years, as well as Ferrari chat, and a few others, and never rec. this kind of treatment. You wont see me back here thats for sure. I've never been treated like this. As for the guy that had to buy thicker gaskets due to the fact no two brands of intakes are the same, as well as some blocks that have been decked, also the use of thin or thick head gaskets, and this is why they make the Fel Pro 1266 gaskets, man you are taking it bad. I suppose you don't know that these encounters are part of building an engine, by the way for what ever reason you had to use that gasket, we seldom ever use it.. As for the guy that wouldn't put PC heads on a lawn mower, I wonder what lame excuss he has, or maybe he is trying to compare them to a set of AFR's or Dart's at twice the cost. I know my car runs 11.9 with a set, and runs pump gas, 350cid, has a daily driver cam in it, mild stall, not to mention we have ran it to death at the track, and on the street, using those socalled junk PC heads. Failures are unheard of when we build the heads.
I've sold about 2500 sets of Patriot and PC heads, and I suppose your insults go out to all those using them. You never considered the idiots that assembled the heads, or the worse yet the idiots that installed them on the engine. We quit using Patriot over a simple combustion chamber design change, and you guys act like I'm peddling junk. My add on the Procomp heads is at leat ten pages long in ebay, as just as long for the cam we chose to match up with it. Our testing was extreme, and I am correct in saying no one has ever taken the low cost heads on the market put them through such testing as we have.
You will get no further responce from me, as I'm off this forum.
cuisinartvette was right when he said there would be some controversy, but I never imagined how right he was. Cuisinartvette seems to be one of the few that act normal on this sight.
Skip White
I've sold about 2500 sets of Patriot and PC heads, and I suppose your insults go out to all those using them. You never considered the idiots that assembled the heads, or the worse yet the idiots that installed them on the engine. We quit using Patriot over a simple combustion chamber design change, and you guys act like I'm peddling junk. My add on the Procomp heads is at leat ten pages long in ebay, as just as long for the cam we chose to match up with it. Our testing was extreme, and I am correct in saying no one has ever taken the low cost heads on the market put them through such testing as we have.
You will get no further responce from me, as I'm off this forum.
cuisinartvette was right when he said there would be some controversy, but I never imagined how right he was. Cuisinartvette seems to be one of the few that act normal on this sight.
Skip White
I knew I would eventually get an opportunity to voice my opinion on this guy's (Chinese Outlet Mall) on Flea Bay. Now that he has poked his nose into a forum that has reputable members and will tell it like it is, he found out that his flim flam will not work here
By the way he built my heads at an additional cost, sold me the intake, and told me to use the Fel Pro 1206 intake gaskets. My block was only squared to the crank, minimal removal of iron, and if he can only go 11.9 he needs more training on building a decent street smallblock.
Enough said, point made.
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St. Jude Donor '05
These are some charts I got from Skip.
Hard to be critical, for $600 one can only expect so much I suppose.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=2164738
Hard to be critical, for $600 one can only expect so much I suppose.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=2164738
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Drifting
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From: gold coast queensland
skip you said you were leaving this forum and there would be no further response from you. .......i was happy about that but now your back and just as annoying as a taliban that still has his head.
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I felt like responding to what has to be the dumbest member of on a forum I've ever seen, but you run a close race gingerbreadman. If comments are made about me, I'm going to defend myself, and you guys can't seem to stop now can you. You have that follower attitude don't you.
I don't know how old you are but anyone who runs a company as big as yours knows a reputation can make or break YOU & YOUR UNCLE's Company. IMHO
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From: Baltimore MD
Skip i hope you respond to this,i bought on 7/31/2006 a set of pro comp heads that were advertised that they were 200 cc runners and i found out that there was problems with these heads ,one being the the wrong id numbers were printed on the heads ,my heads had the right number on them,i checked with pro comp ,and found out from them that the heads you sold me was 190cc runners,so then i called you and Brad or travis,twice to verify what pro comps you sold me ,and you guys ashored me and guaranteed that the heads were right,so i was ok with that for a while,i just had to find out though,so i too them to a local machine shop to have a baret test to check the actual size of the intake runners and found out that the size was exactly 192 cc runners.I still have the heads in the box and never used them ,will you take them back ,i will take credit from you at you shop or store if you dont want to give a money refund.I can prove all that i said and have the documents to back it up,i also have a writen statement from the local machine shop about the testing that was done to your heads that i bought.I also have copy of ebay listing of your advertisment about the heads and them being 200 cc runners.I hope you respond and show you are a stand up guy and take care of the mistakes that were made in your advertisment ,,also show the guys you are a good person to deal with.
My invoice number is 002041,time 5:09,sales person-0008.
thank you for any help you can offer, Bill Baker
My invoice number is 002041,time 5:09,sales person-0008.
thank you for any help you can offer, Bill Baker
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I want to thank Skip White for making my decision for me on Procomp heads.
I was considering purchasing the Procomp heads until I read his posts. You are so incredibly unprofessional and immature, I will now never even consider purchasing a product from your company.
I wonder if your uncle knows how poorly you are representing the company he built?
Thanks again Skip for saving me a major headache
I was considering purchasing the Procomp heads until I read his posts. You are so incredibly unprofessional and immature, I will now never even consider purchasing a product from your company.
I wonder if your uncle knows how poorly you are representing the company he built?
Thanks again Skip for saving me a major headache
Racer
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From: Wellington Florida
I looked at a set of Patriot heads recently and they are identical to the Procomps....same markings, casting fininsh etc. I am sure it's the same Chineesse producer. We all remember the discussions on the Procomps. Procomps are cheaper though!!!
For a set of street replacement heads they are not a bad deal. Cheaper than most rebuilds on old iron heads. Any HP or high milage - long term applications would be a mistake
For a set of street replacement heads they are not a bad deal. Cheaper than most rebuilds on old iron heads. Any HP or high milage - long term applications would be a mistake
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Thank you for proving my point even further. Because I think you are unprofessional, you call me an idiot, therefore proving me correct.
On 10-17-08 Skip posted "You will get no further responce from me, as I'm off this forum."
So now you are providing more proof, you are impulsive, a liar, unprofessional, and immature. (And probably insane for thinking you are not any of these things)
Thanks again Skip for saving me a major headache!
Ex
On 10-17-08 Skip posted "You will get no further responce from me, as I'm off this forum."
So now you are providing more proof, you are impulsive, a liar, unprofessional, and immature. (And probably insane for thinking you are not any of these things)
Thanks again Skip for saving me a major headache!
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Drifting
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From: Lafayette Louisiana
I just stopped by this thread to see if anything had changed with regard to cheap cylinder heads. I see nothing has changed at all. Some like em some don't.
Skip, I must agree with gingerbreadman when he says you sound like a broken record. You continueously brag about your knowledge yet you offer no specific information that would help someone determine if these are acceptable heads for them. Pardon us if we are just a bit leary of salesmen around here and don't take your "I know more about this" as fact.
A couple years ago, I read your "eight page" add on ebay and found it to sound just like a broken record too.
Skip, I must agree with gingerbreadman when he says you sound like a broken record. You continueously brag about your knowledge yet you offer no specific information that would help someone determine if these are acceptable heads for them. Pardon us if we are just a bit leary of salesmen around here and don't take your "I know more about this" as fact.
A couple years ago, I read your "eight page" add on ebay and found it to sound just like a broken record too.
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St. Jude Donor '05
Popped in to check on the thread also.
Skip, most aftermarket head mfrs do quite a bit of testing to help get their name noticed more and sell product. Some are truthful, some arent, whatever.
To be constructive sounds like you may need a better port design to be used with the CNC program. Foundry stuff if its overseas I can see where that may present a problem (Q.C.). Interesting stuff anyway.
I guess for $600 cant expect a whole lot, curious to hear more general specs.Sorry, Im a head junkie and like to know whats out there for the sake of it.
Skip, most aftermarket head mfrs do quite a bit of testing to help get their name noticed more and sell product. Some are truthful, some arent, whatever.
To be constructive sounds like you may need a better port design to be used with the CNC program. Foundry stuff if its overseas I can see where that may present a problem (Q.C.). Interesting stuff anyway.
I guess for $600 cant expect a whole lot, curious to hear more general specs.Sorry, Im a head junkie and like to know whats out there for the sake of it.
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From: Bridgewater nj
For guys like me $600 or Vortex is about all I can afford:o So when a thread like this pops up...I have an interest. I'm not to happy with Ship Whites answer because he never adressed how a his heads were shipped out with machining that looks like a cross eyed, $2 dollar an hour ***** ground it down. But I see he offered a full refund on someone elses heads...so thats a good thing I guess? As long as it don't happen too me
. But I see he offered a full refund on someone elses heads...so thats a good thing I guess? As long as it don't happen too me
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From: Who says "Nothing is impossible" ? I've been doing nothing for years.
For guys like me $600 or Vortex is about all I can afford:o So when a thread like this pops up...I have an interest. I'm not to happy with Ship Whites answer because he never adressed how a his heads were shipped out with machining that looks like a cross eyed, $2 dollar an hour ***** ground it down. But I see he offered a full refund on someone elses heads...so thats a good thing I guess? As long as it don't happen too me
. But I see he offered a full refund on someone elses heads...so thats a good thing I guess? As long as it don't happen too me
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St. Jude Donor '05
Guess the censor feature is down tonight.
At least you can still swear in pms
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Go check out the pictures in the begining of the post, and you will see exactly what I mean. In the forth pic. from the top, notice the exhaust port header bolt holes. The one on the right side of the port is about 50 thous further out than the one on the left. This is exactly why we sent our batch back. We also laid a head gasket over the combustion chambers and noticed that they were out of line. The core must have shift on these heads when they were being cast. This is one of the many reasons we do not sell Patriot heads anymore.