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Old Nov 13, 2008 | 12:29 AM
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Default Brake pads "clicking/clunking"...

My front brake pads ('76) seem to have an excess of forward/rearward (fore/aft) movement and make this embarrassing clicking/clunking sound when cold (seems to diminish significantly after things warm up).

I did a search here, but seems most have "squeeking" issues that are resolved with shims.

Anything that would keep my pads in place within the calipers, but not interfere with their intended function???

Calipers (VBP) and pads (aftermarket, but good condition) all seem fine...

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Old Nov 13, 2008 | 01:21 AM
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Old Nov 13, 2008 | 08:07 AM
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Fairly normal. The single pin holding the pads in doesn't keep things very tight, and a lot of stuff moves between braking and not braking.
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Old Nov 13, 2008 | 08:34 AM
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When the pad sits in the caliper there is pressure to move it fore and aft as you drive. Over time indentations can appear in the calipers that will allow the pad to move more than intended. This could cause the pad to click. Rebuilt calipers are used and while the hydraulics are overhauled I'm not sure if any rebuilder can repair these indentations. If this is where your problem is coming from see if VBP can send you out a different caliper or try a new one manufactured from Lone Star.
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Old Nov 13, 2008 | 09:09 AM
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I get a similar effect which has been driving me crazy for a while. With low brake pressure I get light clunking, usually noticed when coming to a stop. I also get it when turning the wheels with the brake slightly applied, hit the brakes hard and the noise stops. My pads are the low priced organics from VBP. We have a local Corvette shop here in Minneapolis, Corvette Specialties, with a knowledgeable staff and claim some pads move around more than others causing this type of noise. I plan to replace my pads before I get the car out next spring and hope the problem goes away. My other thought was to put some aluminum tape over the leading and trailing edges of the pad backing plate, maybe some lubricant where the plates make contact to the caliper just to see if the noise was reduced. This would not be a permanent fix but could help confirm the source of the noise.
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Old Nov 13, 2008 | 09:57 AM
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I get a similar effect which has been driving me crazy for a while. With low brake pressure I get light clunking, usually noticed when coming to a stop. I also get it when turning the wheels with the brake slightly applied, hit the brakes hard and the noise stops. My pads are the low priced organics from VBP. We have a local Corvette shop here in Minneapolis, Corvette Specialties, with a knowledgeable staff and claim some pads move around more than others causing this type of noise. I plan to replace my pads before I get the car out next spring and hope the problem goes away. My other thought was to put some aluminum tape over the leading and trailing edges of the pad backing plate, maybe some lubricant where the plates make contact to the caliper just to see if the noise was reduced. This would not be a permanent fix but could help confirm the source of the noise.
This sounds like some extra runnout on a rotors or loose wheel bearing adjustment.
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Old Nov 15, 2008 | 03:26 PM
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I have one that makes that clunking sound as well and my brake system is all new. It does get embarrasing but I guess some people have the same problem as well. I allways wonderd what the sound was.
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Old Nov 15, 2008 | 05:04 PM
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Disc brake pad shims are the answer. Normally included with premium sets but can be purchased seperately for those sets where there not included.
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Disc brake pad shims are the answer. Normally included with premium sets but can be purchased seperately for those sets where there not included.
Do these shims fit between the pad and pistons or between the leading/trailing edges of the pads and the calipers???

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Old Nov 16, 2008 | 12:09 AM
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They attach to the piston side of the plate. {Plate is what the pad is riveted or bonded too} There is also a spray that is sold for the same purpose called "Disc Brake Quiet" Not as good as the shims but some brake shops use it. I have even seen some back alley fixes accomplished with Duct tape. The shims are thin steel plates with an epoxy type substance and there fitted between the piston and the disc pad plate. ...

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Originally Posted by Ironcross
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They attach to the piston side of the plate. {Plate is what the pad is riveted or bonded too} There is also a spray that is sold for the same purpose called "Disc Brake Quiet" Not as good as the shims but some brake shops use it. I have even seen some back alley fixes accomplished with Duct tape. The shims are thin steel plates with an epoxy type substance and there fitted between the piston and the disc pad plate. ...
You do not want to use any sticky stuff on the back of the pads. This makes the pistons torque sideways and causes seal failure and leaking. Shims that are slick are OK, but I dont see how that is going to solve the pad shift when the brakes are applied.
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Old Nov 17, 2008 | 12:21 AM
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dr 76,I had the same issue,if it really bothers you,a little weld on to the edge of the backing plate of the pad to make it a little larger will fix it..If you don't do anything,the fore and aft movement of the pad under braking will make the gap larger and the noise louder.Good luck
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Old Nov 17, 2008 | 02:19 AM
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To me it only happens after changing from reverse to forward and visa versa. The pads are always rubbing the rotor and don't just flop around, even when there is end play.

and this is with all my vehicles.
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Old Nov 17, 2008 | 09:58 AM
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A noise when going from forward to reverse usually means a bad U-Joint.
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Old Nov 17, 2008 | 03:40 PM
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I have an 80 with the same problem- I am thinking of putting a thin layer of JB Weld on the fore and aft portion of the calipers where the edges of the backing plate hits- It may wear out fast but I am going to try it. My noise only happens when I am going over bumps with no brake pressure.

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Old Nov 25, 2008 | 08:54 PM
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I need a set desperately ...... some guy that replaced my caliper last year didn't put the shims on RH side back on ..... I am squeeking MAD
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Old Nov 25, 2008 | 09:08 PM
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I used these clips that I got from a friend who has a service station. He said that they come with mopar disk brake pads. They are called "Caliper Abutment Clips". They come in different thicknesses so you can minimize the end to end play of the pad in the caliper.

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Old Nov 25, 2008 | 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by wombvette
You do not want to use any sticky stuff on the back of the pads. This makes the pistons torque sideways and causes seal failure and leaking. Shims that are slick are OK, but I dont see how that is going to solve the pad shift when the brakes are applied.
Never seen that occur.
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Old Nov 25, 2008 | 09:45 PM
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Going to comment on a very minor point I found years ago in my brake wars.....

a pass side rear rotor seems to have been the culprit...

pull the wheels and tighten the rotor to the hub with the lugs on backwards.....

now fire up the engine (rear only) and watch the rotors....sometimes the brake pad surface area is NOT CONCENTRIC with the rotation axis....off center, that grabs the pads and forces them against the 1/4 inch diameter security pins....this has absolutely NOTHING to do with air pumping and lateral runout issues...(side/side wobble)

my car did that for a long time, finally I got pissed enough to locate the problem...and sure enough replacing the rotor with one that was CONCENTRIC in the pad area cured the problem...

actually I changed both ends at same time...just the way I do brake work....

nothing to say this weird symptom/cause can't be in front also....

the clicking you hear is the pads being pressed in by the springs or residual pressures enough to cause drag, and the pads are forced up/down against the pins.....but it certainly happen when the brakes are first applied....and when released....

you hear that 'click, click, click'

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Originally Posted by thoyer
I used these clips that I got from a friend who has a service station. He said that they come with mopar disk brake pads. They are called "Caliper Abutment Clips". They come in different thicknesses so you can minimize the end to end play of the pad in the caliper.

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Interesting...can these be purchased seperately?

"Mrvette": yes, that "Click, click, click" drives me CRAZY!
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