Motive bleeder question
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From: Arlington Va Current ride 04 vert, previous vettes: 69 vert, 77 resto mod
i used denatured alocohol it seemed to work the best, especially with the silicone fluid i use in the antique cars, you can buy it at Home depot in gallon containers....also you do not have to put fluid in the container....and you can just use it as a pressure vessel and only use the fluid in the MC....you just have to a watch how much fluid comes out and be sure not to run the MC dry.
there is no mess at all but you do have to check the MC reservoir often. but since i didnt make a mess or have to clean anything it was a good trade
there is no mess at all but you do have to check the MC reservoir often. but since i didnt make a mess or have to clean anything it was a good trade
Last edited by bobs77vet; Jun 7, 2018 at 10:17 AM.
Melting Slicks
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thanks for that, might get it at HD. amazon 1 pint 13 bucks, 1 quart 9 bucks. kinda high.
How much do you guys use to clean it afterwards? I think I only need 1 quart, probably good for 3,4 uses or something
How much do you guys use to clean it afterwards? I think I only need 1 quart, probably good for 3,4 uses or something
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From: Arlington Va Current ride 04 vert, previous vettes: 69 vert, 77 resto mod
several applications of 4-5 oz. the denatured alcohol is a great cleaner if you do much stuff in the garage buy a gallon at HD or lowes or walmart
when everything appears dry you know you got itall out
when everything appears dry you know you got itall out
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From: Arlington Va Current ride 04 vert, previous vettes: 69 vert, 77 resto mod
when its clean there is no shininess in the container it almost looks porous or hazy
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....also you do not have to put fluid in the container....and you can just use it as a pressure vessel and only use the fluid in the MC....you just have to a watch how much fluid comes out and be sure not to run the MC dry.
there is no mess at all but you do have to check the MC reservoir often. but since i didnt make a mess or have to clean anything it was a good trade
there is no mess at all but you do have to check the MC reservoir often. but since i didnt make a mess or have to clean anything it was a good trade
I never put the fluid in the container, just use it as a pressure source, yes you need to check the MC to make sure it doesn't empty but i'd rather do that then have this bucket of brake-fluid sitting there ready to leak/spill/drip etc
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From: Arlington Va Current ride 04 vert, previous vettes: 69 vert, 77 resto mod
i never mastered the end task where you depressurize it and disconnect it with the fluid still in it with out making a freaking mess....
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I use the Motive the way it was designed. It's been a while, but to unhook it, I think I depressurized it and removed the hose from the top of the Motive. Then you can just lower the hose to drain out as much fluid in the hose as you can by lowering it below the MC end. Then just keep the coiled up hose above the MC end while you remove it from the MC. No mess.
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From: Arlington Va Current ride 04 vert, previous vettes: 69 vert, 77 resto mod
I use the Motive the way it was designed. It's been a while, but to unhook it, I think I depressurized it and removed the hose from the top of the Motive. Then you can just lower the hose to drain out as much fluid in the hose as you can by lowering it below the MC end. Then just keep the coiled up hose above the MC end while you remove it from the MC. No mess.
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I'll never quite understand why some insist on using the Motive bleeder as just a pressure source rather than as it is intended. It has to be extremely inconvenient to keep removing the cover to fill the MC and then resealing it over and over, risking bleeding the MC dry. Most of the virtues of the bleeder is in being able to fill it once with a quart or two of fluid and bleed until complete, just monitoring the fluid level in the tank.
I certainly don't understand the "it makes a mess" argument. It's easy to terminate the bleeding process without making a mess.
When all calipers are bled, lower and tilt the tank until the remaining fluid is away from the hose connection port. The hose will contain fluid. With the tank pumped to normal bleeding pressure open the left front caliper bleeder and watch as the hose empties and the fluid is pumped into the MC. As soon as the hose is completely empty shut the caliper bleeder. Release the bleeder pressure and remove the apparatus. Top off the MC if required.
I certainly don't understand the "it makes a mess" argument. It's easy to terminate the bleeding process without making a mess.
When all calipers are bled, lower and tilt the tank until the remaining fluid is away from the hose connection port. The hose will contain fluid. With the tank pumped to normal bleeding pressure open the left front caliper bleeder and watch as the hose empties and the fluid is pumped into the MC. As soon as the hose is completely empty shut the caliper bleeder. Release the bleeder pressure and remove the apparatus. Top off the MC if required.
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From: Arlington Va Current ride 04 vert, previous vettes: 69 vert, 77 resto mod
I'll never quite understand why some insist on using the Motive bleeder as just a pressure source rather than as it is intended. It has to be extremely inconvenient to keep removing the cover to fill the MC and then resealing it over and over, risking bleeding the MC dry. Most of the virtues of the bleeder is in being able to fill it once with a quart or two of fluid and bleed until complete, just monitoring the fluid level in the tank.
I certainly don't understand the "it makes a mess" argument. It's easy to terminate the bleeding process without making a mess.
When all calipers are bled, lower and tilt the tank until the remaining fluid is away from the hose connection port. The hose will contain fluid. With the tank pumped to normal bleeding pressure open the left front caliper bleeder and watch as the hose empties and the fluid is pumped into the MC. As soon as the hose is completely empty shut the caliper bleeder. Release the bleeder pressure and remove the apparatus. Top off the MC if required.
I certainly don't understand the "it makes a mess" argument. It's easy to terminate the bleeding process without making a mess.
When all calipers are bled, lower and tilt the tank until the remaining fluid is away from the hose connection port. The hose will contain fluid. With the tank pumped to normal bleeding pressure open the left front caliper bleeder and watch as the hose empties and the fluid is pumped into the MC. As soon as the hose is completely empty shut the caliper bleeder. Release the bleeder pressure and remove the apparatus. Top off the MC if required.
Last edited by bobs77vet; Jun 7, 2018 at 03:14 PM.
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If you want to use the Motive bleeder as a pressure source you just need to fit 1/4" air tool connectors to it. This is what I use. The newer style bleeder has brass fitting on the hose and reservoir cover attachments. I just used air tool fittings and made them quick release. This way I avoid the mess of filling the Bleeder with fluid, and I can connect and disconnect quickly to refill the master without losing pressure.
Last edited by Sigforty; Jun 7, 2018 at 03:19 PM.
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First time using denatured alcohol, I got the sunnyside brand so where and how do you store it? Ok to put it in garage, garage got a water heater and I am in desert area so it's hot. Read that people put it in a plastic bottle? because aluminum it will corrode? Ok to just leave it in the can it came with? I read the safety warning and it sounds pretty scary, blindness, fatal, don't use in closed area like bathroom or garage, don't get too much on your skin, don't inhale etc etc. Is it really that scary lol.
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From: Arlington Va Current ride 04 vert, previous vettes: 69 vert, 77 resto mod
First time using denatured alcohol, I got the sunnyside brand so where and how do you store it? Ok to put it in garage, garage got a water heater and I am in desert area so it's hot. Read that people put it in a plastic bottle? because aluminum it will corrode? Ok to just leave it in the can it came with? I read the safety warning and it sounds pretty scary, blindness, fatal, don't use in closed area like bathroom or garage, don't get too much on your skin, don't inhale etc etc. Is it really that scary lol.