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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 07:23 PM
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What is the worst thing that could happen if the frame is rotted away?
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 07:58 PM
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Not sure if its the worst thing or not but you will have a major water leak which would lead to rusted floorboards. Willcox should be able to answer this one with more detail.
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Originally Posted by Pretendr07
What is the worst thing that could happen if the frame is rotted away?
Worst case scenario is that the top would collapse in a roll over? Not sure where you are heading with this question. The windshield frame is a structural support for the windshield and t-tops. Water infiltration would be a constant source of irritation and only lead to more structural and possibly electrical issues.

Care to elaborate with your question? Are you looking for limits on what extent of degradation is acceptable?
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 08:49 PM
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dannyman brought up a good point with the electrical issues. my water leak in my 80' is right by the fuse box in my car... something to keep in mind also. im going to try to fix mine myself if at all possible.
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Electrical issues could result from corrosion depending on where the leak is located at. Depending on the car the floor boards would rot out!

Condensation inside the car will cause rust on other parts like the dash bezel center metal backing plate, the shift console mounting brackets, the vacuum operated pods for the AC and or any other item left in the car bare when manufactured. It’s just not smart to let the water roll in. Even if you did do something drastic like stuff silicone in the frame to try and stop it, this would be better than letting the water come in.

We did a 1977 about 10 years ago and you would have though the car was made in the Flintstones age! You could remove the seats and stand in the car and touch the ground.

As mentioned above, this is your only protection should the car roll over! The longer the hole is present in the frame the more damage it will do!

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Hi P07,
I'd say if enough of the windshield frame at it's base is rusted away, you'd begin to lose the stability in the hinge pillar, so that the doors would become difficult to open and close. It would have to be really serious, but.... there have been some INCREDIBLE rust pictures posted over the years.
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Yes, wondering how much damage before anything serious would happen.


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Worst case scenario is that the top would collapse in a roll over? Not sure where you are heading with this question. The windshield frame is a structural support for the windshield and t-tops. Water infiltration would be a constant source of irritation and only lead to more structural and possibly electrical issues.

Care to elaborate with your question? Are you looking for limits on what extent of degradation is acceptable?
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Originally Posted by Pretendr07
Yes, wondering how much damage before anything serious would happen.


You should post pictures of the damage or at least describe what the condition is and identify your concerns.

If a couple of small holes, no problem; however if the integrity of the frame is questionable then you need to put a price on your safety.

I guess you could relate the condition as riding a motorcycle without a helmet. As long as you don't need the helmet you're OK, but when you have an incident/accident; it may have been an excellent idea to have it wrapped around your head!

Got pictures?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have a convertible, and if this car rolled over, I have a hard time believing that the windshield frame wouldn't collapse, whether it was rusted or brand new.
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Hi LTD,
I'm afraid you're right. I guess you need to be prepared to duck.
Wasn't the roll-over test the reason GM stopped convertible production?
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Old Apr 23, 2009 | 10:49 AM
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Alan,
Actually it was slow sales.

Pretend,
Here is an extreme.

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Originally Posted by paul 74
Alan,
Actually it was slow sales.

Pretend,
Here is an extreme.
Believe it or not mine was MUCH worse than that- the glass was actually holding the upper part of the frame in place, both sides were rotted away.
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Old Apr 23, 2009 | 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan 71
Hi LTD,
I'm afraid you're right. I guess you need to be prepared to duck.
Wasn't the roll-over test the reason GM stopped convertible production?
Regards,
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That's exactly why I'm keeping the lap belts, and not adding in the shoulder harness. Hard to duck, with the shoulder harness.
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my frame as far as i could see had only pin holes at the top of the wind shield, i could not see the bottom of the frame

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Alan,
Actually it was slow sales.

Pretend,
Here is an extreme.

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Old Apr 23, 2009 | 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by paul 74
Alan,
Actually it was slow sales.

Pretend,
Here is an extreme.

My 74 was worse than that, had about 2 tubes of windshield sealer filling the holes.
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Old Apr 23, 2009 | 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Lotadoh
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have a convertible, and if this car rolled over, I have a hard time believing that the windshield frame wouldn't collapse, whether it was rusted or brand new.
Absolutely correct! Roll bar sounds like a good idea, doesn't it?
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Originally Posted by Pretendr07
my frame as far as i could see had only pin holes at the top of the wind shield, i could not see the bottom of the frame
Pin holes wouldn't concern me a great deal as long as the water issue could be addressed by some sealant. You could always remove some inside trim at pillars and kick panels and determine the amount of corrosion.
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