1970 454 oil filter?
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1970 454 oil filter?
Ok another noob question. I went to do an oil change on my new to me 1970 BB. I purchased all the oil, filters and rags needed and when I got under the car it has a canister with a oil filter element in it. It says Master P141 Oil Filter and I can not find anything on line about it. What is a modern equivalent? Now I have these PH30s with no where to mount them. 
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Chevy did away with that filter set-up several years prior to your car being built. Either your car has an earlier big block engine installed or someone added that oil filter cartridge assembly, whether it's a Chevy or aftermarket filter assembly.
You can get the proper stock spin-on filter set-up which would probably be the best way to go, and would use the proper spin-on filter. You can also get on some websites like AC/Fram/Purolator/NAPA, etc and see if they have an interchange chart for the filter in your car. It may well be the cartridge filter that Chevy used in the '60s. You can also go direct to a NAPA store and have them check their cross-reference charts.
You can get the proper stock spin-on filter set-up which would probably be the best way to go, and would use the proper spin-on filter. You can also get on some websites like AC/Fram/Purolator/NAPA, etc and see if they have an interchange chart for the filter in your car. It may well be the cartridge filter that Chevy used in the '60s. You can also go direct to a NAPA store and have them check their cross-reference charts.
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It was a new one on me. The block #s match the body so it must be an after market mod. This car I have found has quite a few. I will check it out at NAPA like you said. Thanks for the help
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Substitutes for PF 141:
Car Quest by Wix #85143 (my favorite)
STP S200PL
Fram CH 200PL.
If you stick with the cannister set up be sure you get the old gasket out of the block and re-seat the new one carefully. My 65 has this original style set up for that car. Not correct for your car as was posted.
Car Quest by Wix #85143 (my favorite)
STP S200PL
Fram CH 200PL.
If you stick with the cannister set up be sure you get the old gasket out of the block and re-seat the new one carefully. My 65 has this original style set up for that car. Not correct for your car as was posted.
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If you can find the proper cannister filters for what you have (at a price you're willing to pay) it might do a better job of filtering than the [smaller] spin-on filter. A good quality filter of either type will do the job...if you change it every 3000 miles. Those cannister filters are messy to change, though; spin-on units are much simpler.
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I am just going to convert it back to the spin on filters. It is messy and I am fanatical about oil changes. Another trip to the parts store with many many more I am sure.
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If you cant what you need locally, go to www.jegs.com and they carry the conversion parts . They also offer a spin on 2 quart capacity
Oil Filter which doesnt hang down too low and still provides adequate clearance. Thats the one i use on my '70 BB Vette . I also plugged the bypass so all the oil gets filtered ; if you do that, just be sure and let the engine get good and warmed up with slow speed driving before going WOT. www.summitracing.com also has the conversion and 2 quart oil filter. Both places will send you their catalogue for the rest of your life.
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I already get the Summit catalogs and have often had to wipe the druel from my chin looking at some of those crate motors. For now I think I am just going to go with the stock oil adapter until I figure out everything that the previous owner did to it. All he said was that he had the motor beefed up at some muscle shop in Oakland where the other mods to the car where done and I am still figuring those out as well. Being my very first Vet (owning or even sitting in) I have a lot to learn.
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If the numbers match on the motor (correct year), the holes should be there in the block to go back to the spin-on adapter. Just a matter of removing the canister adapter and bolt on the spin-on style.
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'Quote:' I have a lot to learn.'
Stay on CorvetteForum, and seek out a local Corvette Club ; youll get to know others who are familiar with your car/motor and youll go on trips and car shows . It was a good experience for me. Also, local Cruise Nights are a good source for picking up useful info.
Stay on CorvetteForum, and seek out a local Corvette Club ; youll get to know others who are familiar with your car/motor and youll go on trips and car shows . It was a good experience for me. Also, local Cruise Nights are a good source for picking up useful info.
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'Quote:' I have a lot to learn.'
Stay on CorvetteForum, and seek out a local Corvette Club ; youll get to know others who are familiar with your car/motor and youll go on trips and car shows . It was a good experience for me. Also, local Cruise Nights are a good source for picking up useful info.
Stay on CorvetteForum, and seek out a local Corvette Club ; youll get to know others who are familiar with your car/motor and youll go on trips and car shows . It was a good experience for me. Also, local Cruise Nights are a good source for picking up useful info.
Choose carefully; I associated with a local Vette club once that advertised being an "all-Vettes-club" but focused mostly on C5/C6 cars. Almost to an individual, they had zero talents for restoring, maintaining, or upgrading older technology. Their idea of a project involved draining and refilling brake fluid or where to mount a fire extinguisher. Not exactly what I had hoped for.
Good Luck and keep us posted on the progress.
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All you need is a couple of parts from a dealership to change your block to a spin on filter...the adapter and a couple of bolts and 'O' ring gasket for the adapter. They should be smart enough to recognize what you need.....thousands were sold and probably still less than $10 bucks.......
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Thats what I thought also so I called and #3952301 is $74...
The GM book shows it at $6 back in 1983
edit-Googled it and summit,pace and jegs show it for $30
The GM book shows it at $6 back in 1983
edit-Googled it and summit,pace and jegs show it for $30
Last edited by ...Roger...; Jul 1, 2009 at 06:59 PM.
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This ironical.
Most serious guys are changing to the canister type from the spin on because it offers almost 100% filtration, whereas the spinons and the bypass valve return a LOT more unfiltered oil back into the engine.
Both are messy anyway, I would stick with the cannister, if you have it. Cheaper too. During 68, is when the change was made.
Most serious guys are changing to the canister type from the spin on because it offers almost 100% filtration, whereas the spinons and the bypass valve return a LOT more unfiltered oil back into the engine.
Both are messy anyway, I would stick with the cannister, if you have it. Cheaper too. During 68, is when the change was made.