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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 03:20 AM
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Okay i got a 454 engine and i want to know what exactly i would be looking at if i wanted to swap 454 off a older model chevy how much work would i be looking at...
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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 06:31 AM
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BB bolts in. Sus. upgrade unless FE-7. Rad. upgrade. BB Corvette accesssory brackets & pulleys needed.
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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 02:34 PM
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if it's a 4 speed, you might want to change to a 11" clutch which would need a different bellhouse. if it's an auto, consider changing from the 350 to a 400 transmission. both these changes would only be necessary if you're going to build-up the engine for a little more power.
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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 04:08 PM
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You'll need a new exhaust system.
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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jnb5101
if it's a 4 speed, you might want to change to a 11" clutch which would need a different bellhouse. if it's an auto, consider changing from the 350 to a 400 transmission. both these changes would only be necessary if you're going to build-up the engine for a little more power.
'76 autos had the Turbo 400 already and most C3's with 4 speeds had the 14" flywheel and big clutch. At least my '75 L-48 did.
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BB bolts in. Sus. upgrade unless FE-7. Rad. upgrade. BB Corvette accesssory brackets & pulleys needed.
plus hood and intake probably
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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 08:20 PM
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plus hood and intake probably
73-79 hood is taller than '68-72 BB hood. Confirmed that myself at a show last week where I was parked next to a '72 BB.
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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 09:43 PM
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Okay i got a 454 engine and i want to know what exactly i would be looking at if i wanted to swap 454 off a older model chevy how much work would i be looking at...
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Old Aug 21, 2009 | 02:49 PM
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so other than my suspension it should drop right in its a 76 so i thought it came with the 400 turbo tranny i got some hooker pipes so i dont think the exhaust is the problem but like tall wise is it gonna come out the top will my stock hood still fit over flush?
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Originally Posted by Cuervos77
so other than my suspension it should drop right in its a 76 so i thought it came with the 400 turbo tranny i got some hooker pipes so i dont think the exhaust is the problem but like tall wise is it gonna come out the top will my stock hood still fit over flush?
Depends on the intake.

Torker 2 - Yes
Performer - Maybe since the '76 hood is taller than the '68-72. Use a drop base aircleaner.
Performer RPM or Victor - No
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Old Aug 23, 2009 | 07:25 PM
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yea its a complete engine i have the pulleys everything couldnt i use the same parts from the engine it has now to put into my car
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Depends, are they corvette pulleys and mounts ?
If Yes ok.......... if NO,,,, they will not fit .

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Depnds, are they corvette pulleys and mounts ?
If Yes ok.......... if NO,,,, they will not fit .
The issue here is the clearance between the front of the engine and the radiator and front suspension. BB Vettes used a short waterpump with pulleys and accessory brackets designed to fit in tight with the short pump. Big Block Impalas, trucks, etc. typically use the long waterpump, so those brackets and pulleys won't fit in a Vette application.

Installing a 454 in your 76 is very doable, but you will need to do a bit of planning. Good luck.
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A couple of months ago I just finished putting a blown 496 in my 76 vette. Because of the blower I had to do some major changes, but I can assure you that just putting a big block is possiblewith some minor changes. like brackets etc.
I also installed a set of jet hot hooker headers with sidepipes.
Also the steering and the suspension were changed for a rack and pinion steering and the monoleaf spring front and back suspension.
The powersteering system has a remote tank with it, where the pump is attached to the block.
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Old Dec 18, 2009 | 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by auavette
A couple of months ago I just finished putting a blown 496 in my 76 vette. Because of the blower I had to do some major changes, but I can assure you that just putting a big block is possiblewith some minor changes. like brackets etc.
I also installed a set of jet hot hooker headers with sidepipes.
Also the steering and the suspension were changed for a rack and pinion steering and the monoleaf spring front and back suspension.
The powersteering system has a remote tank with it, where the pump is attached to the block.
So let's say you have a BB out of a 72 Chevelle, with all of the Chevelle accessories bolted to it. Will it fit? Feels like I too am beating a dead horse, but I am considering the same swap in my 76 too. I was not aware that the engine would bolt up in the same place as the SBC....for some reason I was under the impression that you would have to modify the engine mounts and such. I guess I was under the impression that this was more involved of a swap that what I'm finding out.

So lets say you have all the correct accessories bolted to the engine....how long (conservatively) would you say that it would take to unbolt the old engine, replace it with the BB, and have it on the road? Just trying to gauge the time involved, as I have never done this before. I have a buddy that would be helping as well. Any ideas?

PS....sorry...not trying to hijack the thead here, OP.

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So let's say you have a BB out of a 72 Chevelle, with all of the Chevelle accessories bolted to it. Will it fit?
The Chevelle brackets wont work.
You will need a short water pump and appropriate accessory brackets.
Using actual Vette brackets are the surest way to make sure everything fits, but they are usually a bit pricey.
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By today's standards the original Corvette Big Blocks are really gross.
They were all cast iron: blocks, heads, and intake manifolds. All this cast iron boat anchor material really detracts from the extra power and really screws up the front suspension and handling.

To slide a BB into your car, I think you should really think aluminum heads and manifold. All the factory BB brackets, etc will make this a somewhat straightforward project.
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Old Dec 18, 2009 | 10:19 PM
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So is there a place where you can buy a bracket kit, or do you have to piece it all together? Sounds like it could get real expensive if you have to do that. So far as being "gross"...I dunno. Never had a 454 in anything that I've owned, but isn't ANYTHING new far better than the old stuff? I mean, sure, you could throw $5000 grand at a new Vette motor, but the old ones got the job done, right? I see your point with aluminum heads and intake, but again...its seems to me that you have to have a considerable bank roll to pull that off. I'm just talking about a straightforward, no electronics, raw power swap. Sure, the springs would have to be upgraded and such, but those big motors were in the cars for a long time, and it seems like they did just fine. I dunno. Maybe I'm just being naive. :o
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Originally Posted by mydejavooo
So is there a place where you can buy a bracket kit, or do you have to piece it all together? Sounds like it could get real expensive if you have to do that. So far as being "gross"...I dunno. Never had a 454 in anything that I've owned, but isn't ANYTHING new far better than the old stuff? I mean, sure, you could throw $5000 grand at a new Vette motor, but the old ones got the job done, right? I see your point with aluminum heads and intake, but again...its seems to me that you have to have a considerable bank roll to pull that off. I'm just talking about a straightforward, no electronics, raw power swap. Sure, the springs would have to be upgraded and such, but those big motors were in the cars for a long time, and it seems like they did just fine. I dunno. Maybe I'm just being naive. :o
Well, yes to your comments. My 1970 454 with it's iron heads and iron intake manifold, heavy traditional starter, and heavy R6 air conditioner compressor would really out accelerate almost all normal cars on the street, even in the late 1990's. This was with a 390 HP engine, although it was the over exaggerated HP ratings of 1970. Maybe it was a real 300+ HP, but at 3550 pounds, it still was a fast car compared to others. But driving it, I did could really feel all that massive weight up front. I have a SB 68 so I could sense the weight difference between the two cars.

An all iron BB C3 is a whole lot better than not having one. And even today, you can just about blow away any car on the street with one of these engines.

For brackets....I'd try VolunteerVette, Paragon, Dr Rebuild, ZIP. etc. Also J & D Corvette for salvage parts.

For a BB, you have to get a BB hood. More $$$ but they look better.

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Maybe a serpentine system off a late model something? would be cheap enough and easier to find at a salvage yard?
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