anyone in the dallas-fortworth area have some they can sell me, need couple cans of "real" R-12, no freeze 12 or subs etc. thanks.

 

do you have a license to have it

 

you can but it a day long on the infamous bid site

 

is freeze 12 not as good as the original??

 

Unless things have changed, a shop needs to have somebody with a MAC or SAE license and the proper equipment in order to legally handle R12. When you buy R12, they're suppose to check for your license.
I don't believe that buying it on the internet makes it legal.

 

I want it to give to my mechanic to put in and save me some bucks, he wants to much for it but will put it in for me, way I understand it is no license to buy only to install so anyone have some to sell me or give me a can fleebay around $15 a can but I won't buy off them and never even go to there site.

 

You have to have a Licence to buy R-12. You also need one to Work with it. That being said most people selling it on e-bay need some sort of proof that they are selling it to somebody with a Lic or they arn't going to be selling it long. All this dosn't mean that sombody isn't going to sell it to you. Craigs List might produce some nearby.

 

I guess that's the good thing about living so close to Mexico, for me at least, cans are always floating into flea markets and they will question nothing, also you can drive your car across the border and have them fill it up, but as to taking these cars to Mexico, I don't think I would

 

I'm not sure on you guys in the States but in Canada you can still get it at big truck stops , some of these rigs still have it , Ron

 

Yesterday I bought 11 cans locally (IRB, FL) for $10 ea via Craigslist.

Yes there are big fines potentially for buying R-12 without EPA 609 certificate but many who sell it don't care.

I just got the 609 cert for $20 and a bit over an hour of studying/testing on line at http://www.epatest.com/609/openbook/

Freeze 12 and other substitutes are blends and have issues their marketers don't disclose - do a search.

 

you can get r-12 substitute @ carquest or napa. the real deal is usually very expensive,and you need an old r-12 machine 2 install it. the substitute @ napa comes in small 1 lb sizes so you can just attatch to low side and run youre compressor put the specified weight of gas in the system and she should be cold.

 

Sent you a PM

 

Well i don't know what your shop charges but the local Chevy Dealer did our 87' (not a C3) with 20 onces of r12 and the rest checked out for $120 bucks. It was the first time since new that we had to have the system charged! I firgured it was not worth my time or trouble to aquire the R12. You might want to shop around?

Good Luck wro87

 

Below is a link for a company to purchase R12 from. I have used them
several times and received quick delivery. You will either need a
license (see earlier post on obtaining it on line) or sign a certificate
saying you are purchasing it for someone else who is licensed to
install it. I took the on line test a few years ago and passed it
with very little trouble. I believe that the company I listed below
can furnish the resale form you need and will accept it.

http://www.bloomington.in.us/~atc/st_r12.html

 

NO. All of the substitutes have issues of 1 sort or another. Maybe that is why they weren't used in the first place..... Many are blends of R134 and other chemicals. Some contain high amounts of butane. The blends have widely differing molecule sizes. When you lose some of the small molecules and try to add more mix, then the whole system is out of whack because you have too many large molecules and chemical balance is lost. Head pressures go up and seals and hoses let go. Both R12 and R134 have molecules that are the same size. When you need to add, you do so and balance is maintained. I would stick with R12 until it just can't be bought anymore (as the original poster is looking to do ). I have 2 virgin 25lb R12 cylinders I have tried numerous times to sell and have never even had a bite. $250 each or $450 for the pair. But you have to have a license. As stated above, a license is not that hard to get. Finally, whoever said R12 requires a special machine to put in that Freeze 12 doesn't needs to do a bit more research. R12 (and R22) use 1 type of gauge, while R134 uses another. Most people put freeze 12 or substitutes in using R12 gauges. I would never recommend putting any refrigerant in with the "suicide kits" with no way to tell what pressures you are at.

 

Please note that R22 is for commercial refrigeration units, to my knowledge, it was never used in cars.