High RPM SBC ?





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That same OEM 400 block could have blown in the first 60ft. it luck at this point more than anything else, good machining and put together well helps too
I had my cast crank, hyper piston 406ci up to 6500RPM many times too however I would never build one again, you just never know. Luck of the draw in many cases
Last edited by MotorHead; Dec 9, 2009 at 03:29 PM.

That same OEM 400 block could have blown in the first 60ft. it luck at this point more than anything else, good machining and put together well helps too
I had my cast crank, hyper piston 406ci up to 6500RPM many times too however I would never build one again, you just never know. Luck of the draw in many cases

Ran it many times in my '67 RS Camaro ( and blew it up alot too )
Shortblock was built by Randy Curtis in CC,Tx , he ran a Vette' Wheelstander back in the day called " The Fugitive "
He special ordered the bearings and I have no idea where he got them ?
Its been sitting about 10yrs. , but I can build it up , just rather not put it back into something I'm going to trash on !





Ran it many times in my '67 RS Camaro ( and blew it up alot too )
Shortblock was built by Randy Curtis in CC,Tx , he ran a Vette' Wheelstander back in the day called " The Fugitive "
He special ordered the bearings and I have no idea where he got them ?
Its been sitting about 10yrs. , but I can build it up , just rather not put it back into something I'm going to trash on !

Good luck with your choice.
Ran it many times in my '67 RS Camaro ( and blew it up alot too )
Shortblock was built by Randy Curtis in CC,Tx , he ran a Vette' Wheelstander back in the day called " The Fugitive "
He special ordered the bearings and I have no idea where he got them ?
Its been sitting about 10yrs. , but I can build it up , just rather not put it back into something I'm going to trash on !


Last edited by SmokedTires; Dec 11, 2009 at 08:39 AM.
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Last edited by Rmorgan&11; Dec 10, 2009 at 08:04 PM.
limit at 5.0 liter limit.
The 289 did not have a strong cross bolted block like the 7 liter ( 67
Mark 4 winner )
One thing good about the 289 it only had 2.25 size mains, slow bearing speeds, very short deck, light short rods, light pistons. Its lot easier to turn short strokes, very light parts around a circle for long periods of time,
much easier on parts, blocks.
but having said all this the old 426 and 427 nascar engines were turning
7600 rpm down the straits for several hours at a time.
It was only with the legislation of small blocks that NASCAR motors started to see the higher side of 7000RPM in the Mid 1970's and they had LOTS of valvetrain problems getting to over 8000RPM in the early 80's.
Modern NASCAR motors use lots of high tech analysis/engineering to run their 9200RPM speeds. Look at a current NASCAR motor and you will see NOTHING that resembles a production V8 motor, they use really high cam placement in the block, BIG diameter cam cores, really SHORT push-rods, and expensive shaft rocker systems to keep the valve train stable at high RPMs.
I own a little Audi RS4 V8 that redlines 8250RPMs and it's motor surpasses the piston speed of a 19000RPM Renualt V10 F-1 motor (82FPS a little bit less than a mile per minute or some really EFFING outrageous piston velocity!) I only use VERY EXPENSIVE synthetic oil for that car and change it every 4000 miles.
Back on the subject, I would go with a short stroke large bore block like a DART SHP 4.125 bore X 3.50 stroke (377 cu/in) if I wanted to run over 7200RPM for an extended period of time.
You should also be aware that there is a "magical harmonic" at about 7850RPM that wrecks havic on most valve spring assemblies and most engine builders strive to never run a V8 motor anywhere near this RPM.They either shoot for over or well under (less than 7500RPM.)
All this being said, I have built quite a few 355 motors (4.030 bore X 3.48stroke) that run well at 7000+ RPM and for the $$$ they can't be matched (use the money you save on suspension/brakes/drivers seat.)
Anyone who wants a real high RPM motor, I have a 302 Z/28 motor (shortblock/292 Turbo heads) with Carrillo rods that I would sell for $5500. That is a safe 8000RPM motor but no torque to get you going
It was only with the legislation of small blocks that NASCAR motors started to see the higher side of 7000RPM in the Mid 1970's and they had LOTS of valvetrain problems getting to over 8000RPM in the early 80's.
Modern NASCAR motors use lots of high tech analysis/engineering to run their 9200RPM speeds. Look at a current NASCAR motor and you will see NOTHING that resembles a production V8 motor, they use really high cam placement in the block, BIG diameter cam cores, really SHORT push-rods, and expensive shaft rocker systems to keep the valve train stable at high RPMs.
I own a little Audi RS4 V8 that redlines 8250RPMs and it's motor surpasses the piston speed of a 19000RPM Renualt V10 F-1 motor (82FPS a little bit less than a mile per minute or some really EFFING outrageous piston velocity!) I only use VERY EXPENSIVE synthetic oil for that car and change it every 4000 miles.
Back on the subject, I would go with a short stroke large bore block like a DART SHP 4.125 bore X 3.50 stroke (377 cu/in) if I wanted to run over 7200RPM for an extended period of time.
You should also be aware that there is a "magical harmonic" at about 7850RPM that wrecks havic on most valve spring assemblies and most engine builders strive to never run a V8 motor anywhere near this RPM.They either shoot for over or well under (less than 7500RPM.)
All this being said, I have built quite a few 355 motors (4.030 bore X 3.48stroke) that run well at 7000+ RPM and for the $$$ they can't be matched (use the money you save on suspension/brakes/drivers seat.)
Anyone who wants a real high RPM motor, I have a 302 Z/28 motor (shortblock/292 Turbo heads) with Carrillo rods that I would sell for $5500. That is a safe 8000RPM motor but no torque to get you going

big blocks made it into the 70s for a short time and were gone.
current SB are doing 8,900 down the straits higher then that in qualifying.
Last edited by Little Mouse; Dec 11, 2009 at 01:50 AM.
It was only with the legislation of small blocks that NASCAR motors started to see the higher side of 7000RPM in the Mid 1970's and they had LOTS of valvetrain problems getting to over 8000RPM in the early 80's.
Modern NASCAR motors use lots of high tech analysis/engineering to run their 9200RPM speeds. Look at a current NASCAR motor and you will see NOTHING that resembles a production V8 motor, they use really high cam placement in the block, BIG diameter cam cores, really SHORT push-rods, and expensive shaft rocker systems to keep the valve train stable at high RPMs.
I own a little Audi RS4 V8 that redlines 8250RPMs and it's motor surpasses the piston speed of a 19000RPM Renualt V10 F-1 motor (82FPS a little bit less than a mile per minute or some really EFFING outrageous piston velocity!) I only use VERY EXPENSIVE synthetic oil for that car and change it every 4000 miles.
Back on the subject, I would go with a short stroke large bore block like a DART SHP 4.125 bore X 3.50 stroke (377 cu/in) if I wanted to run over 7200RPM for an extended period of time.
You should also be aware that there is a "magical harmonic" at about 7850RPM that wrecks havic on most valve spring assemblies and most engine builders strive to never run a V8 motor anywhere near this RPM.They either shoot for over or well under (less than 7500RPM.)
All this being said, I have built quite a few 355 motors (4.030 bore X 3.48stroke) that run well at 7000+ RPM and for the $$$ they can't be matched (use the money you save on suspension/brakes/drivers seat.)
Anyone who wants a real high RPM motor, I have a 302 Z/28 motor (shortblock/292 Turbo heads) with Carrillo rods that I would sell for $5500. That is a safe 8000RPM motor but no torque to get you going

The problem with high rpm is usually the breathing capacity of the heads. If you have a big ci engine, you better have some really good and expensive heads to really get up in the high rpm range. I don't say it is not possible.
What could be a problem with big ci engines is that the overlap between the crank and rod journals is a whole lot less on big stroke cranks. That's were the smaller stroke engines are a lot stronger.
As for valve trains : it's mostly the vibration that finally kills them. So for high rpm, you need some suitable valve springs and with the spring pressure involved you would need a roller cam. These themselves have some problems with the follower not following the cams on some intances. So when you are talking high rpm, you are talking big strong springs, a shaft mounted rocker setup and a revkit at least.
And...do not use oil restrictors.






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