Engine in death throes?
I've had the corvette back roughly a month now. Put on a new 600cfm edelbrock carb, switched air cleaners, cut new wires for new plugs (new headers ate the last ones). New headers meant new exhaust... straight 2.5 to 3 inch flowmasters. Did a little thermal wrapping on the headers as well as some for the new plug wires. Thinking switching from the factory (?) 1.5 rockers to some 1.6 as my next project. Once again thanks for all the help!
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Update: Thanks all for the help. New engine is going in by the 5th/6th of January! I'll keep posting once I know more about the issues with my old engine or to respond to you guys.

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TL: DR (Too Long: Didn't Read) What do I do if my #1 cylinder is 'dead'?
For those of you not familiar with me... I am not, by even the most generous definition, mechanically inclined (computer geek at heart). I purchased my 1978 about 5-6 months ago in an effort to educate and occupy myself. This forum's members have been of great help so far and I come to you again. However this time my problem seems a little more serious than my headlights not coming up, etc, etc.
This morning on my way through the front gate, while showing my I.D. to security, my car died. I was in drive with the brakes applied. The engine hadn't sounded exactly right (knocking?) during the drive in but I had attributed this to the colder weather.
The car would not re-start until sometime later when I arrived with a tow truck. I traced the noise, still knocking, to the number 1 cylinder. Feeling daring I unplugged the wire connecting the spark plug to the distributor. No perceivable change to the engine. I went ahead with the tow fearing that continuing to drive the car with a whole cylinder/piston/plug not working would do more harm than good.
So its at my house and I'm back at work researching the issue. The last 3 things I've done to the car were switching from a breather to a cap on the passengers side valve cover, putting new 'gaskets?' between my valve cover and the engine, and fitting a new aluminum edelbrock intake manifold. I fear that even though I took precautions (imagination, tin foil, vacuum) to keep any debris from entering deeper into the engine during these changes that something might have slipped through. The engine has smoked a lot since I bought it my research leads me to believe that I have an overabundance of 'blow-by'. So much that I have oil all over my engine compartment.
Tomorrow I intend to pull the #1 spark plug to see if its fouled and possibly buy a compression test kit and riddle my way through that. As I've previously stressed, I'm fairly ignorant to the inner workings of my 350 but I do have a vague idea about what lies beneath the parts I have removed and replaced thus far. I mention this ask that any responses I receive be written for an 8th grade audience and illustrated if possible.
I'll reply and supply as much addition information as I can. I have some cash, tools, and access to an on-base auto hobby shop. I'm taking it by a certified base mechanic to get his opinion on the knocking first thing tomorrow morning.
Thanks for your efforts on fighting ignorance!
TL: DR What do I do if my #1 cylinder is 'dead'?
TO DO LIST
1. Pull, clean, and re-gap #1 spark plug. (DONE)
2. Test #1 wire from distributor. (DONE)
3. Confirm the points are not stuck or worn out and gapped correctly. (Not Applicable?)
4. Check for loose wires. (DONE)
5. A compression test.
6. Pull valve cover for visual inspection and upload pics. Look for broken valve springs, slipped/broken rocker arms/studs. Check all valves to make sure they close entirely. (IN PROGRESS)
7. Intake/Exhaust Lob on cam is 'wiped'. Call NASA and FBI.
7. Check the rotor and distributor cap. (DONE)
8. Fail miserably.
9. Buy crate engine.
Last edited by Nealjr; Jan 31, 2010 at 08:14 PM. Reason: Formatting/List Building
the first thing to do would be to pull the valve covers for a visual inspection and do a compression test.
If it's any help I'll give you either ends of the spectrum.
It could be something as simple as a broken rocker (unlikely bearing in mind the stall and the no restart) or at worst a seized or holed piston requiring a complete rebuild or new short motor.


How old are the plug wires and is #1 wire good?
Check the rotor and distributor cap.
Confirm the points are not stuck or worn out and gaped correctly.
Check for loose wires.
A compression test should be done one a warm motor with all the plugs out and the carb open, but you can check for SOME compression by just checking #1 hole with the other plugs still in.
Then follow goldens advice.
Pete: I really appreciate the list. Easiest stuff first with likely suspects taking priority. I'll definitely take your advice and I've posted the list in my original just to keep track of my progress and make additions if anyone supplies them. I did have one question though... to what is "4. Confirm the points are not stuck or worn out and gaped correctly." referring to? Spark Plugs? P.S. I have a brand new distributor sitting in my house but have thus far neglected to put it in. I had it in at one time but magnets went bad somehow so the speed shop switch me out. Currently using the distributor that came with the car. I hesitate only because my friend set my timing right before he deployed and he's not here to help me a second time. I have the tools but my towering ignorance is quite a hurdle to jump.
Marz: Thanks for the vote of confidence lol.
I'm going to try to eek out at least a few more months from this engine before I switch to a crate. I have a reenlistment bonus coming up that will open up a lot of options in terms of what engine i could afford. Any suggestions? I keep hearing 383 stroker and theres a small voice somewhere saying EFI. Thanks for posting!
Last edited by Nealjr; Dec 20, 2009 at 08:48 PM.
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P.S. I'm not sure what a point is when referring to distributors so I'm 'removing' it from the list as per your advice. Following is a pic I uploaded awhile ago while addressing some vacuum issues. It shows my distributor. Keep in mind the vacuum hoses are now, hopefully, all in the right place ALTHOUGH THE PIC DOES NOT SHOW THEM THERE.
Last edited by Nealjr; Dec 20, 2009 at 09:27 PM.
1. Bad or fouled plug; 2. plug wire to #1 is not making good connection, is broken internally, or is shorting out to the engine block somewhere {get a new piece of plug wire to try or swap wires with another plug to test}; 3. valve train problem...broken valve spring, rocker arm slipped out of position or broken, broken rocker arm stud, etc. 4. stuck valve (not closing entirely); 5. intake and/or exhaust lobe on cam is 'wiped' on #1 cylinder so that the valve doesn't open; 6. burned piston [unlikely].
My 'gut' guess is a bad spark plug ($3) or a bad plug wire (buy 5 feet of resistance plug wire at auto parts store...off the roll). I hope it's an easy fix.
That isn't your problem {at least, not the one you are asking about}, but that needs to be resolved later.
Last edited by Nealjr; Dec 20, 2009 at 09:27 PM.
That isn't your problem {at least, not the one you are asking about}, but that needs to be resolved later.
The 3/8" port on the Holley is for the pcv (distributed to all cylinders in the throttle plate so no single cylinder can become oil contaminated).
The booster doesn't care, so a single runner is fine.
This isn't your current problem, but could foul a plug down the road.
Start with your wires and plugs and a compression check when the plugs are out. Triple check your plug wires are connected correctly.
Don't jump over hoops to get the engine warm for the compression check, a bad cylinder will show up cold too, all will just not have as high a reading as possible.
The condition of the plugs will tell a lot before you start taking things apart.
One cylinder with dud ignition is not normally enough to a) stall the engine, b) stop it from restarting.
The stall combined with refusal to start and slow turning on the starter suggests a partial engine seizure to me

Add to this the fact that it did start once it had cooled down and it does start to sound like either a partial bearing or piston seizure. Combine this with the fact that No1 cylinder doesn't seem to be doing anything and it starts to sound like a broken piston land, localised over heating or maybe small end failure.
Bear in mind this diagnosis over a router
Golden: Diagnosis over a router is what I'm here for. I don't mind you preparing me for the worst.
But that doesn't change the order of things to be checked, however...
To the poster: If plug/plug wire is not the problem, remove the valve cover on the left cylinder bank. Look at the valve system for cylinder #1 to see if it looks like the others on that bank (the cam will cause the various valves to be in different positions, of course). If all the parts seem to be there and hooked up the same (look carefully at valve springs...broken springs can be more difficult to spot), the next thing to do is to remove the primary [spark] feed wire from your ignition coil...so the car won't start...and have someone else crank the engine while you watch the valve movements on #1 cylinder. If the valves seem to move similarly to the others and have approximately the same valve "lift", then the valve train probably isn't the problem either. Should you get to this point without finding anything significant, your problem is likely more complex and deeper into the engine.
But, check those first few items and give us feedback on your findings. When you get to a point where you are uncomfortable with further disassembly/diagnosis, it's time to find a GOOD [meaning, reputable, honest, knowledgable on Corvettes, and resonably priced] mechanic.
Last edited by Nealjr; Dec 21, 2009 at 08:25 AM.





















