This is a # number engine(car) on ebay
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From: Aarhus, Denmark
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Hi,
I guess having seen Al Grenning's presentation on stamp pads I'd believe ANYTHING is possable.
I'd send him the picture and then value his opinion.
Regards,
Alan
PS: The broach marks look nice to my eye!
I guess having seen Al Grenning's presentation on stamp pads I'd believe ANYTHING is possable.
I'd send him the picture and then value his opinion.
Regards,
Alan
PS: The broach marks look nice to my eye!
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If you're asking 'is this the original engine' then yes it very possibly is. Looks like a typical factory grind out to me. 'Numbers matching' is a vague, meaningless term I avoid.
I see lots of other things in the engine bay, as well as the undercarriage that make me think their buy it now price is way high.
I see lots of other things in the engine bay, as well as the undercarriage that make me think their buy it now price is way high.
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From: Aarhus, Denmark
Hi,
What I don't like is the grinding, but also the number 5 and 9 (I think it is 5 and 9) just after 61.
And it is funny that the grinding, is just where the vin number is, not before and not after.
What I don't like is the grinding, but also the number 5 and 9 (I think it is 5 and 9) just after 61.
And it is funny that the grinding, is just where the vin number is, not before and not after.
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Hi C3,
The grind out could occur for various reasons... the wrong sequence number was stamped (the person thought the sequence in the gang stamp had been changed but it hadn't) or how about... when the the engine was started there was a serious problem ( the car was taken off the line and another engine that had needed to be worked on was ground out and re-stamped and put in this car.
ALL KINDS of things were done to to keep the line moving and the cars being completed.
My 71 4-speed's case has a VIN sequence covered with a row of Xs...XXXXXXXXXX... and the proper VIN sequence squeezed in the space above the row of Xs.
I'm not saying this is the way THIS cylinder case left the factory or not but I have learned that VERY ugly pads left the factory all the time.
Regards,
Alan
PS: As Mike says the ad says the numbers match.... they do... it doesn't say this is the original cylinder case the car left the factory with.
The grind out could occur for various reasons... the wrong sequence number was stamped (the person thought the sequence in the gang stamp had been changed but it hadn't) or how about... when the the engine was started there was a serious problem ( the car was taken off the line and another engine that had needed to be worked on was ground out and re-stamped and put in this car.
ALL KINDS of things were done to to keep the line moving and the cars being completed.
My 71 4-speed's case has a VIN sequence covered with a row of Xs...XXXXXXXXXX... and the proper VIN sequence squeezed in the space above the row of Xs.
I'm not saying this is the way THIS cylinder case left the factory or not but I have learned that VERY ugly pads left the factory all the time.
Regards,
Alan
PS: As Mike says the ad says the numbers match.... they do... it doesn't say this is the original cylinder case the car left the factory with.
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Hi C3,
I believe those digits are the remains of the sequence that was stamped first BEFORE the grind-out. Remember the person doing the restamp was just interested in getting enough of the old number off so he could put the new number on.
I'm just repeating what I've been taught. As I said in my first post someone with a lot more experience in validating stamp pads needs to take a look and give his opinion.
In Al Grenning's tech schools he shows single pads and series of pads that are unbelievable in appearance AND real!
Regards,
Alan
I believe those digits are the remains of the sequence that was stamped first BEFORE the grind-out. Remember the person doing the restamp was just interested in getting enough of the old number off so he could put the new number on.
I'm just repeating what I've been taught. As I said in my first post someone with a lot more experience in validating stamp pads needs to take a look and give his opinion.
In Al Grenning's tech schools he shows single pads and series of pads that are unbelievable in appearance AND real!
Regards,
Alan
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Regardless of the restamp, after taking a close look at the pictures on ebay, one can see all of the little things they "should" have fixed or repaired if they are going to ask that kind of a price. Just shining up a paint job and armoralling the rest doesn't qualify as a recondition job. More like a "snow job". Buyer beware. Try to check things out in person if you can.