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Old Feb 12, 2010 | 03:43 PM
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I have a 72 BB with Alum. heads and intake. The 17" wheels and tires along with the lighter weight of the intake and heads leave me about 1 - 1/2" too tall in the front. I really do not like the idea of a cut spring and want to know if there is an "off the shelf" item that would work or is there a company that winds coil springs to order?
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Old Feb 12, 2010 | 04:00 PM
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VBP should have some.
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Old Feb 12, 2010 | 04:04 PM
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VBP should have some.
They said no.
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Old Feb 12, 2010 | 04:35 PM
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If your afraid to cut coil springs, there are other options:

1)Get a front mono-spring kit from VBP and use it to adjust your ride height/spring rate as you see fit.

2)Get some coil overs from Van Steel, Speed Direct, or other sources, and use these to adjust ride height/spring rate as well.

Maybe someone else can pipe in with other options.

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Old Feb 12, 2010 | 04:38 PM
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From what I've seen, the 550's typically lower most C3's ~1" from OEM heights. Even then, you might end up needing to make an adjustment or you might not want to work from that particular rate, but either way cutting coils isn't that difficult. (Take material off from the bottom.) A fresh carbide hacksaw blade makes quick work of them. Just be sure not to take too much at once, and to properly reseat the top/closed end into the upper spring pocket in the frame.


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Old Feb 12, 2010 | 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by TheSkunkWorks
From what I've seen, the 550's typically lower most C3's ~1" from OEM heights. Even then, you might end up needing to make an adjustment or you might not want to work from that particular rate, but either way cutting coils isn't that difficult. (Take material off from the bottom.) A fresh carbide hacksaw blade makes quick work of them. Just be sure not to take too much at once, and to properly reseat the top/closed end into the upper spring pocket in the frame.


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I don't have a problem cutting the coil, I have a band saw which makes short work of that. What you said about seating the coil spring is where i may have screwed up. You said to seat the top of the spring and have the cut end to go on the bottom? I had it backwards. I had the stock end in the bottom and the cut in the top.
You are absolutely sure about this. CUT END ON THE BOTTOM?
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Old Feb 12, 2010 | 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by spookytooth
They said no.
The 460 & 550 pound are one inch shorter. Which brings the front end down about 1.5 inches
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Old Feb 12, 2010 | 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by gkull
The 460 & 550 pound are one inch shorter. Which brings the front end down about 1.5 inches
Not looking to hijack the thread, but have a related question as I was going to cut the stock spring down as well.

What is the stock spring rate, and what would you recomend for street performance and stance? I like the idea of 1.5 inches lower as I will be adding the one piece Indy spoiler to my 71 before the she comes out of the garage in a moth or so. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by spookytooth
I don't have a problem cutting the coil, I have a band saw which makes short work of that. What you said about seating the coil spring is where i may have screwed up. You said to seat the top of the spring and have the cut end to go on the bottom? I had it backwards. I had the stock end in the bottom and the cut in the top.
You are absolutely sure about this. CUT END ON THE BOTTOM?
The AIM says to have the closely-spaced coils at the top and space the end of the top coil .38" +- .12" from the stop. If you cut the closely-spaced end I would just align the top like the AIM says and let the bottom coil land wherever it lands on the lower control arm. If you didn't cut the closely-spaced end just align it according to the AIM and let the bottom end land wherever in the lower control arm.

Some people make the mistake of just raising the spring into the pocket and assuming it's seated. You have to nudge the spring over with a crowbar as it's being raised and verify that you can see the end of the spring through the inspection hole in the upper pocket to make sure the spring is seated correctly.



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Originally Posted by 72LS1Vette
....Some people make the mistake of just raising the spring into the pocket and assuming it's seated. You have to nudge the spring over with a crowbar as it's being raised and verify that you can see the end of the spring through the inspection hole in the upper pocket to make sure the spring is seated correctly.Rick B.

so true ... you must verify spring seated
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I used the shorter 550# from Vette brakes for years. Even with my lightened front end I had to use a home made spacer under the springs. MY advice is to make the front end adjustable. I can adjust my front ride height up and down in a matter of minutes

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-t...oil-overs.html
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The 550's lower it 1" & the 460's I havent found to lower anything at all without cutting. I have a "new spare" pair of 460's cut 1 coil (1 turn) and it leaves the front wheel well at the top of the tire. Cut the bottom (not top as I incorrectly stated earlier) of the spring & seat the bottom in the c-arm & leave the top where it lies. Per VB&P ** Edited for correction **

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Originally Posted by cherrybombc3
The 550's lower it 1" & the 460's I havent found to lower anything at all without cutting. I have a "new spare" pair of 460's cut 1 coil (1 turn) and it leaves the front wheel well at the top of the tire. Cut the top of the spring & seat the (un cut) bottom in the c-arm & leave the top where it lies. I'd sell the new cut VB&P 460's for $50
Incorrect. Cut the bottom and seat the closed end in the top.
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Originally Posted by TheSkunkWorks
Incorrect. Cut the bottom and seat the closed end in the top.
I checked my phone notes from my convesation with VB&P & I stand corrected, sorry I dont like posting bugus info. You are correct, cut the bottom even though they are symetrical & almost impossible to determine top from bottom. However I was informed to seat the bottom "cut end" of the coil in the lower pocket & leave the top end where it lies.
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Old Feb 14, 2010 | 06:24 PM
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Well, it seems VB&P's advice on which end to seat is at odds with The General's and with Guldstrand's.
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Originally Posted by TheSkunkWorks
Well, it seems VB&P's advice on which end to seat is at odds with The General's and with Guldstrand's.
The top has the pocket. Skunk if you look at those springs in my pictures. the open end goes up and the flat wound side goes against the bottom.

I lay on the ground and look up with the spring and shock out and I marked the point of the upper spring pocket. So I know where to place the spring.
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