Merlin522 - Exhaust Routing
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Merlin522 - Exhaust Routing
Steve, I just looked over your photos on your web site...
http://www.stevenkamis.com/Cars/MyVette/Series22/01.jpg
I saw that the exhaust pipes run over the top of the crossmember.
You gonna make room in the floorpan for those pipes? Seems to me they'll hit the pan and/or interfere with the seat bracketry.
Hope I haven't opened a can o' worms. :eek:
-Noel
http://www.stevenkamis.com/Cars/MyVette/Series22/01.jpg
I saw that the exhaust pipes run over the top of the crossmember.
You gonna make room in the floorpan for those pipes? Seems to me they'll hit the pan and/or interfere with the seat bracketry.
Hope I haven't opened a can o' worms. :eek:
-Noel
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Re: Merlin522 - Exhaust Routing (Noel Carboni)
I believe Norval brought this up a while back. I don't think Steve ran into any problems as far as I know. I could be wrong though (it wouldn't be the first time).
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Re: Merlin522 - Exhaust Routing (Noel Carboni)
You missed the thread Norval and George were on him about a really nice well bent pipe going over the custom cross member The shop was doing the car without a body on it and they claim to be a Vette shop. So either we are all stupid or the shop is.
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Re: Merlin522 - Exhaust Routing (Lt1er)
yeah, that doesn't look right to me either. That would be one hot seat. I can't see why it was done in the first place. just looking at it , it would appear to be easier to not bend the pipes. :confused:
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Re: Merlin522 - Exhaust Routing (flood)
I was under the impression that that setup was for engine start up only...later on it was to be replaced with a better routed system....
But maybe not.
Daniel
But maybe not.
Daniel
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Re: Merlin522 - Exhaust Routing (daniel77350)
OK, I now understand what Norval was talking about & what caused the confusion. First, that pic is misleading. Here's the same pic from 2 other angles: http://www.stevenkamis.com/Cars/MyVette/Series22/03.jpg http://www.stevenkamis.com/Cars/MyVette/Series22/04.jpg Notice that the pipes aren't even attached in those shots! Of course the angle looks funky. Now that the pipes are attached & the body is on, it fit no problem. The reason we did this was for ground clearance. Trying to run a 3.5" or 4" exhaust under or through the crossmember created all kinds of problems. For the salt flat runs, I need to be able to lower the car as much as possible. We are still going to have oil pan & other issues, but my experience with my motorcyles was that I always crushed the pipes when I went over speed bumps. With this setup, that can't happen. Second, you should all take a closer look at the crossmember. This is from way back in series 2 http://www.stevenkamis.com/Cars/MyVette/Series02/10.jpg Notice that we completely re-engineered the thing. The reason people can't go over the member is because there is usually lots of metal there. Notice something missing?? There is MORE than enough room to run it. Believe me, the body is on & it fit fine. We may need to insulat it some, but so what? That's no biggie. We can deal with the heat. The car is going to be so loud that sound isn't too big a concern...
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Re: Merlin522 - Exhaust Routing (Merlin522)
Here's another shot as a reference: http://www.stevenkamis.com/Cars/MyVette/Series01/2.jpg This is the original crossmember right after the frame was powder coated. Notice that we also lowered the crossmember in addition to ripping the guts out of the middle. The center line of the new exhaust would be right about dead center in the middle of those holes in the original member. Maybe just a tad higher, but not high enough to cause any floor pan issues whatsoever. Remember, there are always alternative ways to approach any problem. This approach I think is cool & really is a better way of doing it in my mind - especially if you are going to run a big honking exhaust. It protects the nice coated system quite well....
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Re: Merlin522 - Exhaust Routing (Merlin522)
This picture makes more sence that what I first saw on your page. Series22/04.jpg
The lowest point under my car is the actual header collector bolt together flange. I can see what you did now and your lowest point in the middle of the car is the cross member. Where as if your cross member was up the pipes would be a straight shot back and away from the body. It's OKay!:)
The cross member doesn't have to be very strong. All motor torque is handled by the motor mounts.
The lowest point under my car is the actual header collector bolt together flange. I can see what you did now and your lowest point in the middle of the car is the cross member. Where as if your cross member was up the pipes would be a straight shot back and away from the body. It's OKay!:)
The cross member doesn't have to be very strong. All motor torque is handled by the motor mounts.
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Re: Merlin522 - Exhaust Routing (Merlin522)
Merlin. Work has been going great. I've been busy getting the final touches for a 3000 mile trip. I have to go buy a fire system at Summit and I picked up my rear tires here at the Tire Rack 335/35/17's and I need to go get them mounted.
I was going to have some changes made to my roll cage. So I've been putting off painting it. When are the people in Washington going to hear some thunder. I hope those tires of your are heavy rain rated. What are they 345 Aqua Treads! :cheers:
I was going to have some changes made to my roll cage. So I've been putting off painting it. When are the people in Washington going to hear some thunder. I hope those tires of your are heavy rain rated. What are they 345 Aqua Treads! :cheers: