Do you make it a point to insult anyone who's been through more schooling than yourself?

 

No, just when they talk down to me and insult my intelligence.

Do you agree with this post? This guy has a little more experience than me or you on this subject.

 

And who threw the first volley there? It wasn't me. As I recall you first wanted to discuss educational backgrounds.

Something about ... people in glass houses

Most of it, yes

In fact, I said words to the same effect. Look back at my older posts. Severe endplay can result in the yoke chewing up the housing.

Yep

I've answered this one before, but here it is one more time. Unless the camber setting was verifed prior to swapping in new stub axles and only new stub axles, then you simply cannot state that big endplay = bad handling. If you allow the camber to go out of spec as per your driving style as the stub axles wear down and get shorter then yes it absolutely could affect the handling of your car.

 

I posted this in post #88. I was trying to explain that I was not a newbie and actually have a clue.
I am 52 years old. I was working on my homemade go cart when I was 8. Grew up in a farming family and have been working on mechanical things as long as I can remember. I was in honors math and automotive classes through high school, I took 3 years of automotive design and mechanics in collage. I have 35 years of experience building cars with a lot of custom fabrication experience under my belt. I don't have an engineering degree but I do have common sense, education and experience.


You posted this in post #89.
FWIW your credentials don't impress me.

I posted this in post # 97.
I really don't care if my credentials don't impress you. I have admitted I do not have an engineering degree. Just posted what I do have.

Then you posted this in thread #99.
This seems to be a pretty sensitive subject to you. Who brought up educations? Oh yeah, it was you. Yes, I have an engineering degree.

I had no idea before post #99 that you had an engineering degree. Actually it came as a shock to me reading your posts that you did. Both of your responses came off as arrogant and confrontational.
This informational thread has deteriorated and escalated into personal attacks and insults now so I am out of here.

 

Uhh, guys-

The last time this issue came up we had a member that posted the holy grail hard numbers that a few of you non-believers want to see. That string was deleted in entirety, and the knowledge was lost. What a shame. I obviously regret not writing down the numbers when I had the chance to do so, but I could hardly have predicted the contentious nature of the subject on this website. I suppose that when I found out that I was so wrong about my half baked assumptions the need to prove it to others seemed unnecessary.

We have a member above 'Les' who is hoping to have someone chip in. I presume this person will do his homework and come prepared with proof not just opinion.

I see my name mentioned several times above, sometimes in a unflattering manner. Please do not speak on my behalf, or make assumptions of what precisely I have done or not done while researching this issue.

Let's not have this thread locked/deleted too.

 

This statement...

Was not intended to insult. It was intended to express indifference. You keep trying to blur the lines between apathy and debasement here. I keep trying to tell you that I don't care what your background is. It wasn't even on my radar to inquire on this subject, but it sure as hell was on yours! None of us were C3 project engineers, so it's kind of moot isn't it!?

 

Well it seems that until someone comes up with some unarguable numbers or math or program, we are at a stand still, you guys are looking for the holy grail in math to prove this, and we stand by our experience of personal happenings and what looks to be, common senesce in geometry.

it will be very interesting to see if some one can come up with this holy grail...


my prayers have been answered...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIFZMa1pyX0

 

What if someone with no clips or a lot of end play in their stubs mounted a video camera under the car to watch and see if the end play ever was loaded outward under spirited driving? That would certainly interest me and probably others too.

 

I kind of got tired of reading all this thread but I realized something funny.
I have the factory dana 44 in the front of my Bronco.
The pumpkin is offset from center. On the short side to the axle there is no c-clip because there's no travel for the axle to pull out.
On the long side there is a c-clip because under severe articulation it could be possible to really pull the axle stub to far out of the pumpkin.
I put a trutrac in. By their very design it is impossible to reinstall the c-clip when using a true-trac. All the Bronco guys and even the truc trac guys run it without a c-clip.

You can also put a truetrac in the 80-82 d44 rear ends.

 

No you can't - Because you need the C-Clips in the Vette and the TrueTrac makes them impossible to install.

-W

 

Wcsinx, Mike, please see video attached to this thread, thought you might be interested!

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-t...post1574779006

 

THAT IS ABSOLUTELY AWSOME VIDEO!

uhhh.... wow.... comments anyone?



I stole it... but you do have to go read the thread.... very interesting... more so at 1.25sec for me...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIFZMa1pyX0

I feel vindicated..

 

How? Go back and read the full post you got the link from.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIFZMa1pyX0

The silence is deafening. Looks like I am the red faced table pounder that was right. Hope this ends this debate once and for all. An apology for the personal insults to my intelligence would be nice but I don't think that would happen in this lifetime.

 

You can't be serious! The video show exactly what I and others said would happen happening under the exact conditions described. Do you think this is a photoshop video? You said it would not happen until 1.3 G's. This is an autocross session. Add in a pothole or bump you don't see in an autocross scenerio. Like I said before, you probably would not notice it in normal cruising to your NCRS meet in your totally stock car. This is the tech and performance section though and some of us drive a little more spirited on occasion, have performance upgrades to suspension components and other than stock tires..

 

Your reading or comprehension skills seem to be impaired also. If you re-read it, this is a MODIFIED CAR with inwardly offset wheels. This, combined with the tuck-under of the tire negates probably two inches of the lever arm the GM designed into the suspension to achieve the constant inward load of the halfshaft ***'y. This video helps my assertions, not negates it. The OP of THIS thread has a non-modified car so your 'we're all a boy racers' stuff is not relevant.

Here's what the OP of that other thread thought about you table pounders:

"I have now finally had the patience to fully read some of the other posts and threads about this, and my personal conclusion is that except for a few select members, most of them are keyboard mechanics with little knowledge about what actually goes on. They have their own big bang theory but make it sound like its a science fact. "

I couldn't have said it better.

 

Mako, you can tell some people the sky is blue and they will argue to the bitter end that its not. Remember most folks that have years and years of college education wind up with the common sense of an ape. Its the hands on self taught folks that actually have a head on there shoulders, and will admit there mistakes and learn from them. As my dad always told me "A wise man will always be able to learn from a fool"" Also "Any day that passes you with nothing new learned,means your not paying enough attention"

 

Tire and wheel size has nothing to do with it, IF you could get 7" wide rubber to stick as good as 10" the end result would be the same.I cant believe that after this video you still beating this poor dead horse. And bashing others while doing it. Comprehension??? give me a break!!!

 

Mike, talk about a little kiss up, so he thinks you are the only expert, ....



Look, to be honest here, I got a couple of e-mails from another member asserting your expertise in this area after our last round of posting about this, and I do believe that you do have some expertise in this field. And I really did not want to upset you because maybe some day i may need some of that expertise, but i do not believe you are or have been taking into account every and all load variances on your modeling, there is so much more here than just up down pressures, you have twist and pulls and pushes and load changes in many different directions, there is a time that comes that you have to look at a video like this and sit back and re-think your calculations instead of trying to make excuses for them.

we have video now, we have people, yes like me, who went through this and fixed it, people like George that race and has attested to this on the other thread and i believe to be as big of an expert as ANYONE on this forum.

and we have contended many of times... many.... hard slalom type turns. not a leisurely cruse.
Again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIFZMa1pyX0

and after all of this you still think you are correct? really?

 

It's obvious that nothing will convince you guys that the world is not flat, nor are any of you willing to make any efforts (beyond pounding a keyboard) to prove your point.

Paul,
Again your best and only effort is to discredit people, this time it's the OP of the other thread and the people that have sent you PMs on the subject. I still have your PMs asking me for forgiveness about past rudeness. I thought you were FOS then, you've just proven me right. I did watch your thread on your brake fiasco and saw the same approach.


fordvicjr,

Please read what I wrote and compare it to what you wrote. You've again proven that you don't seem to be able to grasp any part of the discussion, nor did the diagram help. That's very sad. Since you like quoting sayings, here's one that fits: 'It is better to seem a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.'


This discussion is now at the troll level, so buh-bye from me until someone has got some hard relevant evidence one way or the other.

I hear the Luddite society is looking for new members. I'll give them your CVs, the three of you are shoe-ins. Have fun!