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Old Apr 25, 2010 | 11:58 PM
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OK, so the thing is that I have a 76 which has not had brake problems before, but the other day a strange thing started. When I use the car for the first time in the morning, the brakes do not work properly, the pedal hits the floor and there is a hissing noise coming from down by my feet. After about 30 seconds of driving it all comes right and it wont play up again until the next morning. I have had the mechanic check it out and he said that everything looks normal, the fluid is clean, the master cylinder is new(ish), the pads are good and there is no air in the system.

I am guessing that the hissing is the clue that should mean something to someone.

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Old Apr 26, 2010 | 12:23 AM
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Here's what I would think. Its the power brake booster. It's hissing in the morning probably because there is a tear in the rubber diaphram. After the motor heat up the rubber diaphram the tear will close. The same thing happened to my vacumn advance that has a diaphram in it as well.
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Old Apr 26, 2010 | 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Steve COSD
probably because there is a tear in the rubber diaphram.
Thanks Steve, where would I find the diaphram?
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Old Apr 26, 2010 | 12:35 AM
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Its inside the power brake booster. The big unit that the master cylinder is attached to. I would see if the hissing is coming from this unit. It has a vacumn line attached to it. Remove the line when it is hissing and plug it with your finger and see if it stops.
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Old Apr 26, 2010 | 10:50 AM
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The diaphram inside the power brake booster is shot. You'll need to replace the power booster or have yours rebuilt.
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Old Apr 26, 2010 | 08:02 PM
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My diaphragm started out hissing and went south quick. Had to replace with a new unit.
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Old Apr 26, 2010 | 10:53 PM
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Ditto, reman is about $150 & 2 hours to replace.
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Old Apr 26, 2010 | 11:12 PM
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Correct me if Im wrong here..but Ive wrenched on a few cars...

The brake booster is a big diaphragm with vacuum applied to one side of it. The vacuum makes it so less foot power is required to actuate the master cylinder rod. and pressurize the lines/calipers.

A faulty diaphragm would mean there is no assist..and thus would have the effect/feel of manual brakes, meaning a hard pedal.

With or without the booster, the end result to stop is the same...the piston pushing in on the master cylinder, just one requires less work by the driver.
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Originally Posted by RED-85-Z51
Correct me if Im wrong here..but Ive wrenched on a few cars...

The brake booster is a big diaphragm with vacuum applied to one side of it. The vacuum makes it so less foot power is required to actuate the master cylinder rod. and pressurize the lines/calipers.

A faulty diaphragm would mean there is no assist..and thus would have the effect/feel of manual brakes, meaning a hard pedal.

With or without the booster, the end result to stop is the same...the piston pushing in on the master cylinder, just one requires less work by the driver.
True, BUT, on a shark that booster has a spring between the input shaft and the output shaft, it's a tough short sucker, about a inch or so long, that allows the pedal to travel to the floor almost without fully applying the brakes, when the booster gets old, without actually failing...it's what happened to my car, and so doing a A-B direct test with hydroboost, it finally cured my 10 year battle with the brakes....
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