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Old Aug 28, 2010 | 08:17 PM
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First let my start by apologizing if this is an elementary question. I am new to all of this so I will probably have a lot of stupid question threads, so please just try to bare with me.

I noticed that my left front caliper is leaking so I figured I would check on the brake fluid level in the master cylinder. However I don't really know what level it should be at. I have tried to research and some places say to the very top, and others say up to down 1/2" from the top is alright. Also when I pulled the cover off, the gasket bladders where fully extended. Here is what it looks like now:




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Old Aug 28, 2010 | 08:49 PM
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Push rubber bellows back in. Fill to about 3/8 in. below top of master cylinder. mike...
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Thanks a lot! And it is dot 3 correct?
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Origianlly, yes. Unless someone changed it over to silicone. Get some DOT 3 and mix a small amount of what you have now with a small amount of the DOT 3 in a clear container. If they mix and do not seperate then it is still DOT 3. mike...
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Thanks for the tip! DOT 5 is the only silicone one correct, so is mixing DOT 3 with 4 alright?
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Dot 5 is the only silicone. I do not think there is any problem with mixing 3 and 4 but see what the other guys say. mike...
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Old Aug 28, 2010 | 11:17 PM
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DOT 3 and DOT 4 are mixable
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Dot 3&4 are compatible. If you leak on your left front the front portion of your MC should be going down. In your photo they both look even, how bad is the leak?
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Old Aug 28, 2010 | 11:44 PM
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Thanks for the info!

The leak isn't too bad, leaves a little puddle when the car sits for a couple days, I'll try to get a picture tomorrow, the car still stops and the brake pedal isn't soft (even though I've only owned the car for able two weeks so maybe I don't know what the pedal is supposed to feel like.)
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Originally Posted by mds3013
Push rubber bellows back in. Fill to about 3/8 in. below top of master cylinder. mike...
Your owner's manual will tell you its 1/4" from the top. Not a huge difference here.

The manual has a wealth of info from fuse box to capacities. You should get one for easy reference.
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The master cylinder sits at a tilt, so the fluid won't be exactly level. Fill each section until the fluid reaches 1/4" from the top lip...probably at the back of the reservoir. As brake pads wear, they will lose material and move closer to the rotor. When that happens, fluid moves in behind the caliper piston to make up the movement difference. That's what causes the fluid level to decrease in the master cylinder. [Except for your leakage, of course.]

You still need to remove the affected wheel and find where the leak is coming from. If it is from a caliper, it is probably some leakage around a well-used seal and is not in immediate need of being replaced. However, if you find it is from a broken/split flex hose for solid brake line, change it ASAP. When the hose/line finally gives out completely, your braking problems will become more serious.
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Thank you so much everyone for your help, I am slowly learning what I can!

Here are some pictures of the leak:



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Old Aug 29, 2010 | 10:08 PM
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Mine had that leak and it was the caliper... change it.. most of your stopping power comes from the front brakes and you don;t want to lose them.. its a fairly easy job to change the caliper,, 2 bolts and the line in back... have girl friend pump the petal to bleed it... oh yea have beer on hand too!!!!!
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Also while changing the leaking caliper, change the pads too. The pads can soak up the brake fluid and that can cause problems also. Then also use brake parts cleaner and clean off the rotor and inside wheel to get all of the fluid out of there.
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Thanks for the tips guys! Changing a caliper might be out of my technical range however, and I hate the thought of getting it wrong and not being able to stop! I might just have my mechanic take care of it. I thought I read somewhere that when you change and replace one side you should change the other, is this true? Also would I just buy a whole new caliper, I'm guessing it isn't just a leak that can be fixed some other way.
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Originally Posted by CobaltOwner
Thanks for the tips guys! Changing a caliper might be out of my technical range however, and I hate the thought of getting it wrong and not being able to stop! I might just have my mechanic take care of it. I thought I read somewhere that when you change and replace one side you should change the other, is this true? Also would I just buy a whole new caliper, I'm guessing it isn't just a leak that can be fixed some other way.
Yes, you should change the calipers as an axle set, and get new pads for BOTH sides. Every time I've had a seal go bad on one of my calipers, the other side went almost immediately thereafter. Not to mention the fact that the seal strength on a new caliper will be significantly higher than on the other side, therefore the new one will clamp better.

Anyways - changing a caliper really isn't too difficult at all, but it's best not to leap into things. You need to know how to bleed brakes as well. The rotor should most likely be turned at this point as well.

I recommend that you source a really nice quality set of calipers from one of the vendors rather than something from a parts store, the aftermarket calipers are designed to last much longer than stock. Do a forum search for "stainless brake calipers" for a ton of info.

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Just a idea, get sleeved calipers with the "O" ring no the lip seals the O-ring seals are much better(if you get original rebuilds with the "O" rings they don't cost much more) and put a set of speed bleeders on the new calipers will make life a lot nicer whwen bleeding the brakes. Do not worry it is all fairly easy 2 bolts and the brake hose and you can take it off.
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You do NOT have to change both calipers at the same time. You DO need to put new pads in both sides when you change out one of them.
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...that is a crusty looking lower ball joint!
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 07:47 PM
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Thank you so much for all the help everyone, I really appreciate it. Are there any threads on here or any other source that has step by step instructions with pictures on replacing calipers and bleeding the brakes? Also, I have been hearing a lot about the O-rings and ss sleeves, are these from willcox a good investiment?: http://willcoxcorvette.com/product_i...ducts_id=24706
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