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Old Sep 10, 2010 | 05:42 PM
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Why you telling him to get $1500 heads if he can accomplish his goal with the one he has now???
And 1.8RR on SBC?????
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AFR 1034 aluminum heads with 64 cc combustion and 195 runners. Trick Flo track max cam, 1:8 rockers, Edelbrock torker intake, Holley 750 double pumper + gaskets, etc.
Total cost just under 3 grand.
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Originally Posted by scyzoryk23
Why you telling him to get $1500 heads if he can accomplish his goal with the one he has now???
And 1.8RR on SBC?????
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My mistake on rockers, should be 1:6.
AFR's have 2.05 int & 1.60 exh.
CNC chambers, int & exh ports. $1400 at local speed shop.
You get what U pay for.
His iron heads don't cut it!

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Old Sep 10, 2010 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by FKING1
You get what U pay for.
Often true in general, definitely true with cylinder heads.

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His iron heads don't cut it!
The existing Vortecs will easily make the power targets. AFRs are the best heads out there - but aren't required for the stated goals and would be a poor investment for build that must top out at no more than about 425 HP based on the capabilities of the shorblock.
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Old Sep 10, 2010 | 06:50 PM
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Stock vortec heads are capable of 400HP. Period.
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Originally Posted by FKING1
My mistake on rockers, should be 1:6.
AFR's have 2.05 int & 1.60 exh.
CNC chambers, int & exh ports. $1400 at local speed shop.
You get what U pay for.
His iron heads don't cut it!
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Old Sep 10, 2010 | 08:14 PM
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Stock vortec heads are capable of 400HP. Period.
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Car Craft has an excellent tech series that gives step by step instructions on how to get 420 HP from your GM Performance 350 HO called "Project Humble Pie":

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

The GM 350 HO in my '80 is an over-achiever, but I would still like to make these mods some day.
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Old Sep 10, 2010 | 08:15 PM
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Billla, trans is a th350 with a shift kit. the gears are 3:55's this is what I was told when I bought the car. not going racing..... just want to break the tires loose off the line without bringing up the rpms and slamming it into gear. have a holley 670 I beleive 4160and eldelbrock performer.... set of dynamax headers... 2.5 in pipes and a set of flowmaster 50's I thank everyone for there help to this point

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Old Sep 10, 2010 | 09:50 PM
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You should be able to easily break loose the tires with what you've got without doing a neutral drop - don't do that My first thought is that your converter is a mismatch for the engine. I'd take a hard look at the converter and a dyno tune before doing any swaps if it's really that weak right now.

If you do decide to do a cam upgrade, I'd take a look at the CompCams P/N 08-412-8 as a good choice for trans and gears. You could take this one step further with the 08-422-8, but I wouldn't go a bunch further. I would also give CompCams a call directly, lay out all the configuration and goals and get their take as well. The GMPP HOTCAM is going to be about in the same range; there's a really nice HOTCAM kit that comes with the cam, lifters and GMPP-logo roller 1.6 rockers.

Those cams are going to put you into the 375-390 HP range, probably just a touch short of 400 HP. Note that the stated on the HO is pretty optimistic, and is done on the dyno with dyno headers, no accessories, etc. An honest 375-390 is frankly a fair bit of power for a street Corvette.
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Originally Posted by billla
Note that the stated [hp] on the HO is pretty optimistic, and is done on the dyno with dyno headers, no accessories, etc. An honest 375-390 is frankly a fair bit of power for a street Corvette.
"...the stated [hp] on the HO is pretty optimistic"? Based on what? I do not agree, based on data with accessories.

My GM 350 HO measured 293 hp at the rear wheels. Search to CF for the range of crank-to-rear wheel loss and apply backward from RWHP to CHP. My GM 350 HO exceeds the GM advertised [crank] HP and torque. IMO, based on personally measured data, the GM claimed hp and torque are realistic.
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Old Sep 11, 2010 | 08:12 AM
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thanks Billla and everyone else for your well respected input. I will have the car dyno tuned. I will post all info once that is done. Than we can see about converter. I did buy a converter when I had the trans rebuikt year before last. But the owner of the shop said he sent out the stock converter and had it worked for stall. So it was never installed. My son who is the mechanic by trade and into racing 1/4 mile has told me its not what the shop said it would be. Let me dig out the specs on the converter I bought and I will post back. My son is working on an interesting project. 87 mustang with a turbo'ed ls1......... he is looking for 700 hp. This is want got me going... again thanks to everyone
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Originally Posted by MN80Vette;1575290063My GM 350 HO exceeds the GM advertised [crank
HP and torque. IMO, based on personally measured data, the GM claimed hp and torque are realistic.
Good infornation - can you share more information on the specific configuration (intake, headers, tuning, etc.)? At 293 HP, your results are above what would expect or have seen and would be around 12% drivetrain loss. Can you post the dyno sheet?

The Car Craft guys that IMHO do excellent test work also found the engine pretty close to rated numbers

http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles.../the_test.html

I just haven't consistenly seen the same results in installations I've worked with, which were also based on chassis dyno runs. I'm not disagreeing with your facts (or Car Craft's) at all - my experience has just been different.
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Originally Posted by wiseman79
Always a good answer to the "more power" question

Thinking about supercharging my '03 Z06, since 360 RWHP is no great shakes these days...even in a 3200# car.
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Old Sep 11, 2010 | 10:19 AM
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Feb 09 "Hot Rod" also has an article about upgrading a SBC although it is a ZZ4.
My post was a suggestion only and one can use it as they desire.
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I agree with wiseman. I ran a B&M blower on my '75 for 10 years before the smog police got too tough here in California. It's really the way to get that kick in the butt you're looking for.
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I'm changing my recommendation to this, too. its just cooler.
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Billla..... what size converter would you recommend? The one I have is a 2400.(still in the box) One in the car most likely stock..... And I did consider the blower but thru the hood is what bothers me Thanks
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And I did consider the blower but thru the hood is what bothers me Thanks
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that would work
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I have this hood for sale. PM me if you interested.

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I have this hood for sale. PM me if you interested.
Fate is knocking
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