Thanks buddy....... you proved my point exactly....

 

Here is what I DO know.....

My engine dynoed here locally and made within 5hp of what Mark Jones said it made in Colorado.

My Engine has all of the hardware inside that he claimed it did...(I pulled the heads off REMEMBER....)

My engine holds no less then 40 psi of oil pressure at idle under the most extreme heat/idling conditions in 100* temps.

My engine does not leak ONE drop of oil.....anywhere....nothing.... 1.5 years and 7000 miles later.

My engine uses less then 300 ml of oil in 3000 miles......that is running at 3000-3200 rpm freeway speeds for extended periods.

My spark plugs always look perfect, I have only changed them once....just because...

My engine never pings, never runs over 188*, pretty much runs perfect 100% of the time.

My car idles around town in Houston traffic, Houston heat, with AC blasting and never acts like it knows it.....

My car runs mid 10s @128 mph at 3660lbs with 3.36 gears and a tight converter, on pump gas....I drive the car to and from the track....and pretty much every where else....

That is pretty much all of the build sheets/data/receipts etc etc I need.... Even if it blew up today I would still be satisfied with what I got out of this engine.

 

All I need to know right here..... ^^^^

 

To sum it up....

In life...

some people buy T.V.'s with a warranty...

some people buy T.V.'s off the street with no warranty......

Not saying that the T.V. off the street will not run, it may work flawless....

But if that T.V. off the street fuggs up, its your word against theirs and if something goes wrong, your SOL.......

It just depends on what kind of shopper you are....

I learned my $5800 lesson.....

Bozz

 

Actually you proved Alan's point as well, just by showing up here.

 

aaAAHHhh, entertainment. oh,alan love your ride. nice article in the rag..

 

http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=304041

Re: Vortec Pro 468

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Originally Posted by shonuff
Since you like torquing so much, I got a 468 over here that has leaked oil and coolant all over the drive way and garage....... You are welcome to come TQ it..... Since you are a master at TQing

John Im curious as to where your leaks are coming from. I really dont think you have been fair with me, so lets start from the start. When I first talked to you about building your engine I told you how I set the car up for street strip use, and I spent the time to go over it with you. The first problem you called me about at 7.00 PM on a Saturday night was you had a noise, this noise turned out to be a spark plug wire arcing on the header. The second problem, which was a constant topic on this forum was a popping coming from your heater hose, I told you I just had no ideal what would cause this, but I also knew that you had a cooling system that I had no experiance with. Turned out you did not have the hose from the water pump to the intake installed, and guess what that was your noise you couldnt figure out for weeks. I told you step by step how to set up everything, you did every thing your way, now you are not happy. When your trying drive 10 sec HP around on the street every day the car has to be set up correctly, cooling, carb, timing, torque converter are very important, and not one of the things are done the recommened way. This Shonuff car was taken to a local shop picked by you John, the owner of this shop called me and told about your install, teflon tape in the needle and seat, wirenuts holding the MSD wires together, and you come on here and insult my work, after all the time Ive spent with you, come on. The mechanic had one recomondation, void your warranty, direct quote from the mechanic: This guys an idiot. I have no intention of voiding any warranty, you bought my engine and I want to see you be sucessful, but you need to change some things. Find a competant shop in your area and I would be happy to work with them, or send the car up here and we will set it up. Everything you have done will effect drivability and gas mileage, I tried to get you to go with a converter we knew worked, you wouldnt do it, I tried to get you to set up the dist, you wouldnt do it, I told how we ran the cooling system, you wouldnt do it. Remember when I asked you why you wouldnt follow this setup and you told me, well I guess Im not used to doing things that way. As far as your leaks go are they really my fault? I would like to know the details of the leaks. I drove cars with these engines every day when I lived in California, and hundreds of miles raced the cars and drove them home with no major problems, but the cars where built right. The shame here is the car could be what you want, but its going to take the right people to make it happen, Im not to happy with the way you have treated me.

 

Now follow the timeline, Mark knew about the problem days prior to that post..... After he first recomended that I put "Alumiseal" on the freeze plugs, I was fed up, so he posted the above statement on Jan 11th..... during 1 week or 10 days to Jan 21st..... He said "If me or my mechanic open up the motor, he will void the verbal warranty.." So I said ok I will take it to whoever you want me to in the area... And he said Langsford..... After calling them and trying to match up schedules he goes around on TC lying talking about teflon tape and 14 psi fuel pressure which is a complete lie... Think about it. Why would anyone I have a relationship with tell him something like that? That is just dumb...... So Vortecpro would not answer his phone, so I sent him a pm and I said I will take the motor to Langsford or ship it back and you can have it....... He told me to go fugg myself N_____...... Now 10 days later after posting the above to save face on a board...... So he post that on Jan 11th then Jan 21st Go fugg yourself...... He never saw the motor, his shop Langsford never saw the motor......

I never recieved the dyno sheets promised



Great customer service.... Does Summit do this to their customers? Does Joe Sherman, Yearone, doe this? .........

It was not an issue of compentency, this guy is a complete liar.....

After the Vortecpro 468 disaster, I got a LS2 with 46000 miles and never had any problems, 2 head swaps and 2 cam swaps , no problems no leaks, we have done numerous pulls on that motor and no leaks what so ever, daily driven.... We have even done other swaps.... I did all of the electrial work from a stock harness and have done several swaps for friends....... So the compentency things is a ploy to try not to take responsiblity........ An old 850 DP and iron BBC is not rocket science...... I have had BBC before....

The messed up part of this is people who were not even involved or talked to me are commenting and posting about the situation..... That was my point with Alan, he posted all of that stuff earlier, then he admits that he never saw the motor, never talked to me about it, never worked on the engine etc......

Same thing with tt383, I have never talked to you, you never worked on the motor so all you guys are doing is repeating what you were told vs, what you know......

Bottom line OP buy from a local builder or GM so you don't have to deal with this crap or go through what i went through.... Prime example of how buying an engine long distance can go wrong......

The issue was not whether I could fix it or my mechanic buddy, we could do that, the issue was we did not want to do anything to void the verbal warranty because Vortecpro was so paranoid about us opening up the motor.....

You show me a time when he took a motor back, all of the guys that I know of who had problems had to fix the motors at their own place or location, not his shop....lol

Hey believe what you want, if you guys wanna buy a engine from a guy you know nothing about besides just on a internet forum, a guy who does not even give you the blueprint tolerances of your motor, sells you a motor with no reciept, and will flat out lie....... go ahead your money not mine.....
So many people are sheeple.... you see high HP and jump on the band wagon, not even really knowing who you are buying from and dealing with... I learned my lesson...... I should have researched him before but I went on the comments of guys on TC vs.. actually doing my own investigation of the guy... And after we did the investigation, I would have never bought a motor from him in the first place...

I'm done too many sheeple and you got people recomending his motors and have never seen one or had one.. all they are doing is repeating stuff off the internet AKA Parroting......

Yall can have it

Bozz

 

The funny thing is the way you come off..... The prophesy that you would show up here in this thread. You didn't refute this in the origianl post, only now do you say. Then you accused Alan and he didn't even have a post in the thread. So what happened to said engine? Did you tear it down? Did you sell it to some unsuspecting buyer? This in and of itself, no follow up on what went wrong and some outlandish claims, you never give any proof of what was actually wrong. No pics, no video, nothing.

I got news for you, if you don't want other people to comment on what you claim and the situation at hand, don't bring it to a public forum.

You talk about competency and BBC/850 dp not being rocket science but their no humility in the way you present yourself, or your case. Is their nothing you could possibly have done wrong, in any of the setup to cause the problems you had?

You are a fool if think Mark is the only guy to have something go wrong on a build, and a customer not be happy. All the parts warehouses and the builders have unsatisfied customers for one reason or another.

 

Their is actually a post made by a member ted or something, and he had the engine for about a year and Mark took it back and sent it back, turned out it was an electrical problem, fuel pump and ignition on the same fuse and small gauge wire, but in the end the engine did what it was supposed to when set up properly. Hope the hobby treats you well.

 

I'd buy the 700 hp 496!

 

http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=304313

In this thread it seemed as though Mark was genuinely trying, and even getting another forum member notalent involved to help fix the situation. This would have been a great benefit to everyone to have gone through with this, with another forum member as a witness. Was their a reason this did not come off?

 

Remember shonuffs(??) thread.


On leaks-
Although noone wants a leak ever a freeze plug can seep when freshly installed. Yes sealer will fix it, they usually corrode themselves shut, too.

Had a buddy yrs ago that I helped out with the build.
he HAD to have head studs because they looked "race"

So....in they went and of course first few days there was some seepage, guy freaked the hell out. Didnt want to add sealer, even the machinist casually said "just drive it" and hung up the phone.

Couple more heat cycles it stopped, 10 yrs later no issues.

once you stray from stock these things can happen.

 

Since you metioned wieght, factory iron headed BB's are at 650 lbs, with stock LS3's 430 lbs. Not exactly a chump change difference hanging over the front axle. Add in the LS heads really flow, so good to choose your poison carefully.

 

A street car with air under the front tires!!!!^^^^^^^Beast!!!

 

While that's true, an aluminum headed bb weighs about 560#, can be built to more than 632 cubic inches and has various aftermarket heads available that will outflow any ls based head. So yes, pick your poison.

 

I happened to be working in Colorado this week and met up with Mark and some of his buddies. Got to see a new 700HP 496 ready to be delivered to a lucky new owner as well as go see his Chevelle that he uses to track test these things. Then we went to a guys house with a shop full of Camaro's full of Mark Jones motors...running from high 8's in the 1/4 on up to a ZL-1 in a '69. He seemed to be pretty happy with Mark's motors!

JIM

 

Thanks for all your comments, I did not mean to stur up the hornets on this one.

 

I'll vouch for Alan's word and truth about his experience with his Mark Jones's 496. Alan is no dummy and is VERY detailed, speaks his mind and knows what he's talking about.

I would not be scared to use Mark Jones for a killer 496.

 

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