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Old Jan 31, 2012 | 01:34 PM
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Looks like I will be getting 10.83/1 CR on my engine. The gas I will be using will be EU 98 octane.

Anyone in use this gas in combination with a CR close to 11/1 ?
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Not yet, but I had my combustionchambers enlarged by Post & Dros to get under 10.5. Hoping to still be able to run 95 octane, but guessing I'll end up using 98 (at $2,35 per liter ).

Cast or aluminum heads? In general compression can be up to 1 point higher with aluminum heads than with cast iron ones.

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When building a motor you can safely assume that Euro 98 is equivalent to US 93 octane. So follow the advise for US 93 octane (premium gas) builds and you'll be OK.

10.83:1 CR: Hope you have aluminum heads and a big cam.
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FWIW, I run my stock L46 (11:1 compression) with 98 EU-octane.

When setting the timing as per Lars' spec (16 degrees advance it idle and 30 degrees above 2500 rpm, without vac) I have some pinging, so I backed up 4 degrees and it runs fine now.

Carsten
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Originally Posted by zwede
When building a motor you can safely assume that Euro 98 is equivalent to US 93 octane. So follow the advise for US 93 octane (premium gas) builds and you'll be OK.

10.83:1 CR: Hope you have aluminum heads and a big cam.
So the octane number is not a international standard?, if not, then how can I know whats my local octane equals to the US octane?
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So the octane number is not a international standard?, if not, then how can I know whats my local octane equals to the US octane?
Nope. North America uses a unique rating called AKI- anti knock index and has done so sinve the mid 70s. This is the average of the RON and MON ratings of gas. Most of the world uses just the RON.

98 RON is equivalent to 92-93 AKI.
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Originally Posted by Mike Ward
Nope. North America uses a unique rating called AKI- anti knock index and has done so sinve the mid 70s. This is the average of the RON and MON ratings of gas. Most of the world uses just the RON.

98 RON is equivalent to 92-93 AKI.
Yeah, you are right, I just asked the manager of our local pump and they are using the RON index, they have 90, 95 and 97 octane, all RON, so that would equal to 85, 89, 92 AKI. learned a new thing today, thanks!
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Originally Posted by zwede
When building a motor you can safely assume that Euro 98 is equivalent to US 93 octane. So follow the advise for US 93 octane (premium gas) builds and you'll be OK.

10.83:1 CR: Hope you have aluminum heads and a big cam.
Yes, alu heads. Cam is pretty big, around 250° @ .050. DCR is fine at a comfortable 8.1/1. However DCR isn't always the be all end all. If the engine goes in the upper rpm range and filling improves, it could still start pinging under WOT.

Engine has a higher dwell time at TDC, which could work against me as well, since pressures would be higher because of that.

I still haven't touched the chambers though. The boresize allows a considerable amount of deshrouding if necessary.

Trying to figure out which way to go.
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Originally Posted by weinh
FWIW, I run my stock L46 (11:1 compression) with 98 EU-octane.

When setting the timing as per Lars' spec (16 degrees advance it idle and 30 degrees above 2500 rpm, without vac) I have some pinging, so I backed up 4 degrees and it runs fine now.

Carsten
Don't know the specs of the engine, but I assume it has the 64 cc chambers.

My old engine had a piston with a slightly smaller dome, 3 cc versus the 4 cc of the autotec. My old engine was around 10.73/1 and didn't know. However I'm not sure what the results of the itb's will be since these will improve cylinder filling. Cam timing was also unkown for that engine.
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