How to remove the upper control arm bolts
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How to remove the upper control arm bolts
Hi Everyone,
I'm removing the upper control arms and can't find any store that has the attachment to a slide hammer to remove the upper control arm bolts. Is there another way to remove the bolts? Can I use a hammer or something else?
Thanks.
I'm removing the upper control arms and can't find any store that has the attachment to a slide hammer to remove the upper control arm bolts. Is there another way to remove the bolts? Can I use a hammer or something else?
Thanks.
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My front end rebuild paper has the procedure for removing the bolts - you can e-mail me for a copy:
V8FastCars@msn.com
Here is the paragraph from the paper dealing with the studs:
The driver’s side upper a-arm can easily be removed by wiggling it off the studs and pulling it out. The passenger side does not have adequate space to slip it off the studs, so the pressed studs must be removed. This can be done in several ways: Many of these studs are pressed loosely enough that you can wiggle the a-arm back and forth to make the studs wiggle. By having a helper pry against the studs while they’re wiggled, they will pop out. You can also use a C-Clamp against the protruding threaded end of the stud while placing a large socket over the head of the stud. You have to have just the right sized C-clamp to do this. You can then press the stud out into the socket covering the head. Finally, if the studs do not want to come out, you can put a socket onto the stud head and give it a few zaps back and forth with your ½” drive impact. This will loosen the knurled shank of the stud in the frame, and the stud can be wiggled out. If you do this, be careful about how much you hit the stud with the impact gun – you just have to BARELY give it a few whacks in each direction to get it loose. If you really pound in it you will completely turn the stud in the frame hole, and you will round off and destroy all the knurling. You will then need to buy new studs (available from any auto parts store). With the studs removed, the a-arm will come out from the wheel-well side of the car once you figure out just how to twist it to get it out of the wheel well opening (it really does come out).
Lars
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Here is the paragraph from the paper dealing with the studs:
The driver’s side upper a-arm can easily be removed by wiggling it off the studs and pulling it out. The passenger side does not have adequate space to slip it off the studs, so the pressed studs must be removed. This can be done in several ways: Many of these studs are pressed loosely enough that you can wiggle the a-arm back and forth to make the studs wiggle. By having a helper pry against the studs while they’re wiggled, they will pop out. You can also use a C-Clamp against the protruding threaded end of the stud while placing a large socket over the head of the stud. You have to have just the right sized C-clamp to do this. You can then press the stud out into the socket covering the head. Finally, if the studs do not want to come out, you can put a socket onto the stud head and give it a few zaps back and forth with your ½” drive impact. This will loosen the knurled shank of the stud in the frame, and the stud can be wiggled out. If you do this, be careful about how much you hit the stud with the impact gun – you just have to BARELY give it a few whacks in each direction to get it loose. If you really pound in it you will completely turn the stud in the frame hole, and you will round off and destroy all the knurling. You will then need to buy new studs (available from any auto parts store). With the studs removed, the a-arm will come out from the wheel-well side of the car once you figure out just how to twist it to get it out of the wheel well opening (it really does come out).
Lars
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The upper control arm bolts are no different than wheel studs...they have splines under the head to keep them from turning since the nuts are lock nuts. Bash out with a hammer. Replace with new ones. So simple even a caveman could do it.
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My front end rebuild paper has the procedure for removing the bolts - you can e-mail me for a copy:
V8FastCars@msn.com
Here is the paragraph from the paper dealing with the studs:
The driver’s side upper a-arm can easily be removed by wiggling it off the studs and pulling it out. The passenger side does not have adequate space to slip it off the studs, so the pressed studs must be removed. This can be done in several ways: Many of these studs are pressed loosely enough that you can wiggle the a-arm back and forth to make the studs wiggle. By having a helper pry against the studs while they’re wiggled, they will pop out. You can also use a C-Clamp against the protruding threaded end of the stud while placing a large socket over the head of the stud. You have to have just the right sized C-clamp to do this. You can then press the stud out into the socket covering the head. Finally, if the studs do not want to come out, you can put a socket onto the stud head and give it a few zaps back and forth with your ½” drive impact. This will loosen the knurled shank of the stud in the frame, and the stud can be wiggled out. If you do this, be careful about how much you hit the stud with the impact gun – you just have to BARELY give it a few whacks in each direction to get it loose. If you really pound in it you will completely turn the stud in the frame hole, and you will round off and destroy all the knurling. You will then need to buy new studs (available from any auto parts store). With the studs removed, the a-arm will come out from the wheel-well side of the car once you figure out just how to twist it to get it out of the wheel well opening (it really does come out).
Lars
V8FastCars@msn.com
Here is the paragraph from the paper dealing with the studs:
The driver’s side upper a-arm can easily be removed by wiggling it off the studs and pulling it out. The passenger side does not have adequate space to slip it off the studs, so the pressed studs must be removed. This can be done in several ways: Many of these studs are pressed loosely enough that you can wiggle the a-arm back and forth to make the studs wiggle. By having a helper pry against the studs while they’re wiggled, they will pop out. You can also use a C-Clamp against the protruding threaded end of the stud while placing a large socket over the head of the stud. You have to have just the right sized C-clamp to do this. You can then press the stud out into the socket covering the head. Finally, if the studs do not want to come out, you can put a socket onto the stud head and give it a few zaps back and forth with your ½” drive impact. This will loosen the knurled shank of the stud in the frame, and the stud can be wiggled out. If you do this, be careful about how much you hit the stud with the impact gun – you just have to BARELY give it a few whacks in each direction to get it loose. If you really pound in it you will completely turn the stud in the frame hole, and you will round off and destroy all the knurling. You will then need to buy new studs (available from any auto parts store). With the studs removed, the a-arm will come out from the wheel-well side of the car once you figure out just how to twist it to get it out of the wheel well opening (it really does come out).
Lars
#5
Melting Slicks
I just removed my control arms to replace the bushings. When I went to remove the uppers, one of the studs holding the upper arm on was freespinning.
Where do you get the replacement studs? Is there a car that uses wheel studs that are the same size?
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Race Director
Your spring is out of the way, right?
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Melting Slicks
My issue is that when I take the car in for an alignment, and they need to take the nut off to shim the arm, they are going to run into a problem if it just spins. So I'm looking for where to purchase new studs - 69Chevy seemed to indicate that they were readily available.
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I bought the correct length studs from NAPA. And depending on how rusty your frame is, the OEM diameter splined studs might spin. Match up what you need from the wheel stud bin.
#9
Melting Slicks
The frame does not have any rust, but wondering if someone in the past may have spun the one problem bolt out (it's the one that's hard to reach on the front passenger side), therefore I think I probably have to go with a slightly larger stud.
I will give NAPA a try, I didn't really look through the wheel studs because I thought they would all be too big, I didn't know that there would be wheel studs for any car that were as small as these control arm studs.
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//Ricky.
#11
Pro
I put on a nut to save the boltend and the threads and with a gentle tap with a hammer the bolts came loose.
Just the same as the wheel studs.
//Ricky.
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Melting Slicks
I decided not to go the wheel stud route for that reason - if the knurls stop holding, and the back doesn't have a bolt head, you might have a heck of a time getting the nut off.
So I took out the AIM, and found the original part number (381909), searching for that led me to Paragon that has them - 4 for $12 (https://www.paragoncorvette.com/p-35...-stud-kit.aspx).
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Burning Brakes
Two of my upper a arm bolt were spinning - I purchased new bolts but the bolt holes were so worn they would not hold. I decided to replace them all and I spot welded the bolts at the bolt heads in an area that if I had to replace them again (don't know why I would) I could grind the weld down with my dremel.
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76 Corvette Front End Rebuild
My front end rebuild paper has the procedure for removing the bolts - you can e-mail me for a copy:
V8FastCars@msn.com
Here is the paragraph from the paper dealing with the studs:
The driver’s side upper a-arm can easily be removed by wiggling it off the studs and pulling it out. The passenger side does not have adequate space to slip it off the studs, so the pressed studs must be removed. This can be done in several ways: Many of these studs are pressed loosely enough that you can wiggle the a-arm back and forth to make the studs wiggle. By having a helper pry against the studs while they’re wiggled, they will pop out. You can also use a C-Clamp against the protruding threaded end of the stud while placing a large socket over the head of the stud. You have to have just the right sized C-clamp to do this. You can then press the stud out into the socket covering the head. Finally, if the studs do not want to come out, you can put a socket onto the stud head and give it a few zaps back and forth with your ½” drive impact. This will loosen the knurled shank of the stud in the frame, and the stud can be wiggled out. If you do this, be careful about how much you hit the stud with the impact gun – you just have to BARELY give it a few whacks in each direction to get it loose. If you really pound in it you will completely turn the stud in the frame hole, and you will round off and destroy all the knurling. You will then need to buy new studs (available from any auto parts store). With the studs removed, the a-arm will come out from the wheel-well side of the car once you figure out just how to twist it to get it out of the wheel well opening (it really does come out).
Lars
V8FastCars@msn.com
Here is the paragraph from the paper dealing with the studs:
The driver’s side upper a-arm can easily be removed by wiggling it off the studs and pulling it out. The passenger side does not have adequate space to slip it off the studs, so the pressed studs must be removed. This can be done in several ways: Many of these studs are pressed loosely enough that you can wiggle the a-arm back and forth to make the studs wiggle. By having a helper pry against the studs while they’re wiggled, they will pop out. You can also use a C-Clamp against the protruding threaded end of the stud while placing a large socket over the head of the stud. You have to have just the right sized C-clamp to do this. You can then press the stud out into the socket covering the head. Finally, if the studs do not want to come out, you can put a socket onto the stud head and give it a few zaps back and forth with your ½” drive impact. This will loosen the knurled shank of the stud in the frame, and the stud can be wiggled out. If you do this, be careful about how much you hit the stud with the impact gun – you just have to BARELY give it a few whacks in each direction to get it loose. If you really pound in it you will completely turn the stud in the frame hole, and you will round off and destroy all the knurling. You will then need to buy new studs (available from any auto parts store). With the studs removed, the a-arm will come out from the wheel-well side of the car once you figure out just how to twist it to get it out of the wheel well opening (it really does come out).
Lars
#16
Racer
We had to remove the radiator to get the shroud out on my buddies '72. Messed up the radiator in the process.
I would keep going at it with the impact gun until it comes loose. It will save you a lot of time in the long run, and certainly less risk to other parts.
I would keep going at it with the impact gun until it comes loose. It will save you a lot of time in the long run, and certainly less risk to other parts.
#17
Burning Brakes
Oh, and by the way, when you get new studs, put some red locktite on the bolts near the head and on the knurls. This will also help keep them from turning during alignment time.
#19
Le Mans Master
I don't see anyway of getting these methods to work on my 76 Corvette w/AC (I tried my 1/2 inch drive impact but due to inferior equipment it wouldn't
move). The radiator shroud is too close to get a c-clamp on the end of the nut. There is no room anywhere to pry and nothing to pry against. How difficult is it to remove fan shroud?
move). The radiator shroud is too close to get a c-clamp on the end of the nut. There is no room anywhere to pry and nothing to pry against. How difficult is it to remove fan shroud?
#20
Race Director
Actually mine have a 5/8th bolt head on them, I think the originals have the bolt head for this exact reason - the bolt knurls stop holding, and the bolt needs to be removed.
I decided not to go the wheel stud route for that reason - if the knurls stop holding, and the back doesn't have a bolt head, you might have a heck of a time getting the nut off.
So I took out the AIM, and found the original part number (381909), searching for that led me to Paragon that has them - 4 for $12 (https://www.paragoncorvette.com/p-35...-stud-kit.aspx).
I decided not to go the wheel stud route for that reason - if the knurls stop holding, and the back doesn't have a bolt head, you might have a heck of a time getting the nut off.
So I took out the AIM, and found the original part number (381909), searching for that led me to Paragon that has them - 4 for $12 (https://www.paragoncorvette.com/p-35...-stud-kit.aspx).
That is why the method Lars suggests does work, by carefully reinserting the bolt in it's original orientation.
You cannot do that with a knurled bolt.
If the bolt starts to spin, remove it, clean the threads so a nut spins on freely by hand, then take a sharp center punch and punch around the mount hole to slightly disfigure it.
This usually will stop the bolt from turning until the tightening torque allows the head to grip better.
As also mentioned, some Locktite and even epoxy works well for future alignments to prevent spinning.