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Old May 4, 2012 | 11:36 AM
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I am fairly new to working on my car ('75 L48) but I managed to follow Lars' great instructions to reset my timing to close to his specs. I have an issue now with backfiring. The backfire will occur when I release the accelerator after a period (short or long) of high rpm (like passing or full throttle acceleration). Have I advanced the timing too much? Perhaps also of note is that I live at a high altitude (3600'). Thanks for any ideas - I was considering new wires, could that help? Distributor worn? These are ideas I got from other threads but I wasn't sure if those situations were similar to mine with the backfire only happening after high throttle application.
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Did you try adjusting the idle mixture screws? This happens after full acceleration and then you take your foot completely off the gas?
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Old May 4, 2012 | 11:42 AM
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No I haven't tried that - and yes that is exactly how it happens
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Old May 4, 2012 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by MelWff
Did you try adjusting the idle mixture screws? This happens after full acceleration and then you take your foot completely off the gas?
Ok thanks - did some reading and watched a video ... will try your suggestion. Thanks again
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Old May 4, 2012 | 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by MelWff
Did you try adjusting the idle mixture screws? This happens after full acceleration and then you take your foot completely off the gas?
So I've adjusted the idle mixture screws and the car still pops and/or backfires when releasing the accelerator after depressing it sharply. Thanks for the suggestion, I'll do some more digging.
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Where did you set timing ?
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Backfire out the exhaust or intake?
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Old May 4, 2012 | 07:54 PM
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"Backfiring" occurs when the engine pops up through the carburetor. "Afterfiring" occurs when there is popping in the exhaust. I assume you are experiencing "afterfiring" and not "backfiring"..(?)

If timing is grossly out of spec, backfiring can occur. Once timing is so far off that the engine is backfiring, the vehicle is usually not drivable.

Afterfiring is normally a sign of a lean condition - not a timing issue. If the problem occurs with the throttle closed, you have a lean idle and transition circuit. An idle mixture screw adjustment will usually not cure this - you usually need to check float level, APT height adjustment, and IFR sizing. If you have a commercially rebuilt Q-Jet, you may also want to check to see if they removed your low speed air bleed restrictors.

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Old May 4, 2012 | 08:00 PM
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I set the timing last year a few weeks before I parked for the winter - I went right up to Lars' 36* but had to back off to around 32* because of much more frequent backfires... I guess maybe I have to back off more. Total timing was in the 50* range.

The backfire is at the tailpipe.

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Originally Posted by lars
"Backfiring" occurs when the engine pops up through the carburetor. "Afterfiring" occurs when there is popping in the exhaust. I assume you are experiencing "afterfiring" and not "backfiring"..(?)

If timing is grossly out of spec, backfiring can occur. Once timing is so far off that the engine is backfiring, the vehicle is usually not drivable.

Afterfiring is normally a sign of a lean condition - not a timing issue. If the problem occurs with the throttle closed, you have a lean idle and transition circuit. An idle mixture screw adjustment will usually not cure this - you usually need to check float level, APT height adjustment, and IFR sizing. If you have a commercially rebuilt Q-Jet, you may also want to check to see if they removed your low speed air bleed restrictors.

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Thank-you ... I guess the correct term is after-firing. I will look into those issues.
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Old May 4, 2012 | 10:43 PM
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Oh *****! All those years ago when we ran no mufflers and backfired through the pipes (usually at the BACK of the car) you mean we were actually afterfiring? I'm gonna point one pipe toward the front and one out the back so I can fore-fire, backfire and after-fire, all at the same time.
COOL!
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Old May 4, 2012 | 11:13 PM
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mine has been doing that a while.. if i'm not hurting anything i'll leave it like it is cuz i kinda like it.
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