Well, let's see. Z06, 405 net hp. Highest output production classic small block was the 70 LT1 at 370 gross hp. The Z06 has that one by a good 100 real world horsepower. Big Blocks. The 427/435hp (gross), not even close. The L88 or ZL1, yep they put out more real world hp but they were true race engines, not designed for the street, could not get a radio let alone a/c. No production C3 (except L88/ZL1) could come close to the new Z06. But what about highly modified C3s? Yep, there are those out there that can take the Z06. But again they are race engines, will have problems driving them on the street. Take those, add A/C and all the comfort items of today that the Z06 has, and them make them meet the current emission standards....no wait, sorry but that cannot be done. Maybe with turbo, supercharger, and/or NOX...yes, but lets stay with pure hp and not factor in those power enhances unless you also allow the Z06 to have them.

Over all the Z06 has it all, more hp then any chevy engine (except race engines) while meeting all emission requirements and maintaining all the comfort items we are accustomed to having.

But the C3 is pure sex.....Z06 just a high performance car. What are we to do? Too bad we cannot bolt the C3 body on the Z06 :D

tom...


[Modified by Tom73, 10:39 PM 5/22/2002]

 

I wouldn't call my engine a race engine, but I wouldn't back down from a race with a Z06. I also don't have any drivability problems on the street. However, if I was in the market for a new Vette, the '02 Z06 would be at the top of my list! :cheers:

 

It can definitely be done. The toughest part is getting it to handle like one. Making our cars as fast in a straight line isn't too tough. There's going to be some Z06 drivers with shocked looks on their faces very soon...

 

Just to say that a Z06 is a very good car but it's not a god.
And I belive that a very well modified C3 would beat a Z06(stock) with no problem, but then it was stock against modified....Not fair.
Paul

 

Technology has changed radically in the last 30 years. Basically one just has to apply new technology to our older cars. I would argue that we have the upper hand. I won't ever have to drive my 74 in for a smog test. There is really very little chance of a Z06 ever shaking the ground like our cars can & still being legal on the street. That's why I decided to build up an older car. Besides, our cars look SO much cooler :cheers:

 

 

Tom, someday I plan on doing almost exactly that...(though I haven't worked out all the ins and outs of it yet). I already did it to a pair of model kits to use as a visual reference. I've been meaning to get those posted for a while now but I don't have a digi camera...

 

Regarding the C5-R, it has about as much in common with a stock C-5 as a C-5 has with a C-3.

For starters, the C-5 has a front engine, rear transmission. The C5-R moves the transmission back to the front.

And I recall reading that the ZL-1 would pull close to a full G on the skidpad. Its biggest drawback would not be the engine or even suspension, but the transmission; you could gear a ZL-1 for acceleration or top end, but not both.

 

Mark,

Actually I am there. :yesnod: took one from a green light for 0 to about 55. But I took him easy at the light and I think thats the only reason I beat him. At the 1/4 track I would have a pretty difficult time taking one of those with any decent driver.... Maybe a few more minor mods are needed :yesnod: If I can get just a little more traction I will be in the low 12s easy.

Chris

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Chris,
My nextdoor neighbor has a C5 LS1 that is running low 12s to 12 flat. He is running street slicks but cannot get any traction off the line. If he can hook up should be looking at upper 11's. And, No, it is not stock. No NOX, turbo, or anything like that, just standard good old performance improvements, cam head work headers etc. Next mods is drag slicks.

Wonder what the potental for the LS6 is if a daily driver LS1 can get in the 11's.

tom...

 

OK here's a real contest...

give two people $40,000

One builds a C3
One builds a C5/Zo6

Which one would be faster in drag and autocross???

 

One day at the track with a few corvette club people I saw a c3 beat a zo6. The c3 was a big block car set up like an l88. It dragged the hell out of the Z06. If I remember correctly the c3 ran a 12.3 and the zo6 was in 12.7 range.

Mark B.

 

I lost to one last year. The z06 ran a 12.8 and I ran a 13.6.
Dan :(

 

While there seems to be a lot of controversy over this topic, I have a different view of it. I know that a C5 or almost any other stock vette could easily stomp me. Not a big deal to me, having another Corvette beat my vette. They are all still Corvettes, all part of the same proud family. Now, if I got beat by a rice car.... :mad :mad :mad :mad :mad :mad :mad :mad :mad

 

It's not really a fair contest because I have more cubes and a lighter car. But I did shut up one of the local hot rodded 1992 383 ci boys. 6 speed tranny, ported super ram, full length headers, LPE 219 H-roller cam, runs consistant 11.70's at the drags on ET streets. This motor is made for massive torque and the H-roller is out at 6000 rpm and the c-4 forum is full of simular motored cars.

I said instead of drag racing lets just do a roll on test. Because that will really show who's motor has the most power. So we figured out that his 5th gear was nearly the same as my 4th gear OD in a 700R4. I said name the speed you want to start at and I'm going to have mine in lockup 4th so it's just like a manual gear. So he said 55 mph. I'm only doing a hair over 2000 rpm. Well it started out with me just walking away and then the faster I got going I was just running away. Well I'm watching him in my review mirror with him more than 10 car lengths back and just leaving him, I glanced down and I was passing through 140 mph just getting into my real power range. A ZO6 is a lesser performance car than a super rammed 383.


[Modified by gkull, 10:37 PM 5/23/2002]

 

Of course it's fair to compare a modified c3 to a zo6 - I've got less than $15,000 in my c3 including purchase, paint, motor, suspension, wheels & a million other things; that wouldn't even buy the driveline and wheels of a zo6! I'm not going to beat a zo6 with my car, but I'm not done yet either. It all comes down to efficiency - squeezing every bit of horsepower out of every cubic inch. The factory has come a lot closer on the zo6 than they ever did on a c3, but we still have lots of games we can play with our motors. Compression, timing, cam, porting and on and on. The z06 owners can do this too, it's just that most aren't inclined to tear appart their new $50,000 plus cars.
If someone offered me a zo6 in trade for my c3 (never happen) I would take it in a second, but the zo6 might be sold in six months to generate cash for monster c3 build up. :cheers:

 

At our local Khana race (max about 55 mph, tight course), I was within .5 sec (total 55 sec) of the fastest Z06 (there were 3). I'm running VB&P suspension and stock brakes. Also, I've got no PS or PB. I think anytime you get into a race with curves, the driver has more to do with it than the car.

 

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Chris,

Right On!

Chuck

 

My C-3 is very modified. A stock C-3 would not run with a Z06 but you can really make the C-3 work. The some what narrow wheel base of a C-3 works well in auto-x but it would have more trouble on a high speed course. The hardest part of dealing with the C-3 is tires and brakes.

 

Just like Smith said. You have to have wider wheel base and Z rated tires. I have 315 rears on 11 X 17 inch rims. Stock late model c-3's are pigs. You have to go to the Street + higher grades of VB&S setups to do it and then have 375+ hp with good alignment specs. to even take on the hot rice cars.