NCRS Bow Tie
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NCRS Bow Tie
I recently found and bought a 75 Classic white with silver interior with only 5,574 miles on it. It was undercoated when new, how many points will this cost me during the judging in the NCRS. Removing the undercoating would be a real messy job, is it worth it for the points?
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I recently found and bought a 75 Classic white with silver interior with only 5,574 miles on it. It was undercoated when new, how many points will this cost me during the judging in the NCRS. Removing the undercoating would be a real messy job, is it worth it for the points?
BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING obtain a copy of the NCRS 1953-1986 Corvette Judging Reference Manual (8th Edition currently). (Available from the NCRS bookstore/site) The Judging Manual describes the NCRS awards and includes comments on PREPARATION for the various awards.
BOWTIE judging and regular FLIGHT judging have MUCH different criteria.
BOWTIE judging is about the ORIGINAL UNRESTORED COMPONENTS - DO NOT DISTURB the car. Typical preparation for FLIGHT judging will renew or enhance appearance and this normally detracts from the cars ORIGINALITY and historical value and is DETRIMENTAL in BOWTIE judging.
You might want to check out the NCRS web site and tech boards.
Again, welcome to the Forum.
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with both posts above. Asking specific and detailed judging questions here is a bit chancy as the bashers/haters occasionally come out of the woodwork to spread nonsense.If you believe that this car is truly a Bowtie vs. Flight Judging candidate, DO NOT touch anything and contact your local chapter. Be aware that putting a car through the entire process is quite a task- not for the faint hearted.
In the strictest sense, 'points' are not awarded in Bowtie Judging, only in Flight Judging. Bowtie judging goes through more of a yes/no process in deciding 'is this piece the undisturbed factory original' without regard to condition. Although any restoration work defeats the intent, cleaning of the car to expose factory original markings is generally OK.
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Thanks for replies
Appreciate the comments, this is kind of new to me. Saturday the President of the local vet club and a local NCRS judge came out and looked at the car. They were impressed to say the leased! I've also contacted the area NCRS rep and he adviced the bow tie route. So I'm kind of waiting to see where the NCRS is going to hold events this fall and then head to Norfolk for nationals. Od course that's if I decide to go that route. By the way the car is on usedcorvettefor sale.com! So if there is someone out there who wants to take this car and put it htrough the steps needed I'm willing to sell it.
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Front bumper might clean up for Bow Tie purposes. (NCRS reps will know)
Rear bumper needs to be replaced with a used '75 bumper or NOS.
Heater core - no one will notice a replacement - if done right.
Undercoating - good luck on that - sounds messy.
-W
Rear bumper needs to be replaced with a used '75 bumper or NOS.
Heater core - no one will notice a replacement - if done right.
Undercoating - good luck on that - sounds messy.
-W
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Be aware most C3s had factory sound deadener/undercoating, progressing more heavily through 82. As Mike suggests, leave things alone until your are certain of what you have.
Be aware most C3s had factory sound deadener/undercoating, progressing more heavily through 82. As Mike suggests, leave things alone until your are certain of what you have.
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Hi 75,
It sounds and looks like you have a very nice car to play with.
I agree with the replies so far.
I'll only add that many Bowtie cars do quite well in flight judging, too. So I think you should consider both when deciding how you should proceed with your 75.
Good Luck!
Regards,
Alan
It sounds and looks like you have a very nice car to play with.
I agree with the replies so far.
I'll only add that many Bowtie cars do quite well in flight judging, too. So I think you should consider both when deciding how you should proceed with your 75.
Good Luck!
Regards,
Alan
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Until you KNOW what you have, DO NOT make any repairs, "corrections", swap parts, or clean-up the car.
If the engine pad is obscured with grease and dirt - clean it (the stamp pad only) with soap and water and a soft wash cloth.
Replacing parts (even with NOS) destroys the originality of the car - BOWTIE cars have historical authenticity. You have to be very careful with your cleaning methods so as not to destroy original marks, stamps, stickers, etc.
Find out what you have, then decide what you want to do.
If the engine pad is obscured with grease and dirt - clean it (the stamp pad only) with soap and water and a soft wash cloth.
Replacing parts (even with NOS) destroys the originality of the car - BOWTIE cars have historical authenticity. You have to be very careful with your cleaning methods so as not to destroy original marks, stamps, stickers, etc.
Find out what you have, then decide what you want to do.
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I know you guys mean well- but the above advice is incorrect for Bowtie judging. Attempts to 'restore' the car defeat the purpose of the award and at worst will make it appear that the owner is 'cheating'. Leave the car as-is.
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And as for that rear bumper - WTF can be done with it?
-W
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Many Bowtie cars cannot or should not be driven under their own power for all sorts of mechanical or safety reasons. Trailering is a common alternative. The owner has over year to decide what to do with this car, Bowtie judging is only done once year at the nationals and it's way too late to do it at this year's event.
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