Motor Oil "Wear Test" and "Lab Test" Data
08-26-2022, 07:10 AM
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Well, it's now very obvious you don't actual read and comprehend, but rather just want to argue.
Film strength does not prevent metal to metal contact, the barrier additives do. Read the above again and then what you quoted in a feeble attempt to prove me wrong and try to comprehend what it means this time. Both he and you are already wrong with the argument that film strength is the what predicts when metal to metal contact will occur..
Film strength and what an additive like zinc provides are 2 different things. To put it really simply, the film is the basic oil stock providing protection between 2 moving surfaces. Under enough pressure, it is compressed and squeezed out until the barrier additives (like zinc) are needed to protect the 2 surfaces from damaging contact.
08-26-2022, 11:36 AM
#342
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Well, it's now very obvious you don't actual read and comprehend, but rather just want to argue.
Film strength does not prevent metal to metal contact, the barrier additives do. Read the above again and then what you quoted in a feeble attempt to prove me wrong and try to comprehend what it means this time. Both he and you are already wrong with the argument that film strength is the what predicts when metal to metal contact will occur..
Film strength does not prevent metal to metal contact, the barrier additives do. Read the above again and then what you quoted in a feeble attempt to prove me wrong and try to comprehend what it means this time. Both he and you are already wrong with the argument that film strength is the what predicts when metal to metal contact will occur..
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08-26-2022, 02:54 PM
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You apparently have no clue about burden or proof or what an argument from ignorance is. It's up to the person making claims to prove they are right, not the other way around.
It's also clear you don't understand the generally accepted meaning of oil film strength. Doing some secret "film strength" test doesn't change the industry accepted meaning of film strength. Film strength is mostly dictated by the oil weight and temperature. Additives don't change it, because they're not part of what makes up film strength. I suggest you at least get a overview learning of what film strength is before you continue arguing about it. Might as well learn that writing barrier additives doesn't just mean ZDDP at the same time.
It's also clear you don't understand the generally accepted meaning of oil film strength. Doing some secret "film strength" test doesn't change the industry accepted meaning of film strength. Film strength is mostly dictated by the oil weight and temperature. Additives don't change it, because they're not part of what makes up film strength. I suggest you at least get a overview learning of what film strength is before you continue arguing about it. Might as well learn that writing barrier additives doesn't just mean ZDDP at the same time.
08-26-2022, 03:17 PM
#344
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Once again you dance around with word play and are dead wrong about additives not playing into film strength. All oils contain additive packages and it is well known that ZDDP is just one component. You simply can't accept the tests validity based on what you think you know. There is no argument...disprove the findings with actual tests instead of worn out catch phrases. All oils are not equal for a reason.
08-26-2022, 03:27 PM
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As I suspected...you have nothing. 
You may insert foot in mouth after that "additives don't contribute to film strength" statement.
You may insert foot in mouth after that "additives don't contribute to film strength" statement.
08-26-2022, 03:50 PM
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You make the claim, you must prove it is right (or wrong). This will never change, no matter how much you attack it.
No dancing here. Film strength is how the oil would create a hydrodynamic bearing layer as an example. Barrier additives protect when the film is broken, by being crushed between the camshaft and lifter as an example. I can't actually understand what you're actually arguing, but it seems to be that the barrier additives were being actually tested, not the film strength.
Whatever, I'm done with the horseshit arguments claiming that when someone posts something I have to prove they are wrong. The world doesn't work that way.
No dancing here. Film strength is how the oil would create a hydrodynamic bearing layer as an example. Barrier additives protect when the film is broken, by being crushed between the camshaft and lifter as an example. I can't actually understand what you're actually arguing, but it seems to be that the barrier additives were being actually tested, not the film strength.
Whatever, I'm done with the horseshit arguments claiming that when someone posts something I have to prove they are wrong. The world doesn't work that way.
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08-26-2022, 04:25 PM
#348
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By all means, go in ignorance then. 
The real problem is some are living in a fantasy world.
The real problem is some are living in a fantasy world.
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08-26-2022, 05:08 PM
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Back to reality - For those that might have glossed over the prior link I provided... https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...01679X19303214
This suggests that too much of a good thing can actually do harm. This should be a good read for those building a new engine as well as the classic car folks...all things in moderation. It would appear that even the most recent oils can easily protect flat tappet engines. Of course I have already demonstrated this recently in this thread... https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...uld-i-use.html
This suggests that too much of a good thing can actually do harm. This should be a good read for those building a new engine as well as the classic car folks...all things in moderation. It would appear that even the most recent oils can easily protect flat tappet engines. Of course I have already demonstrated this recently in this thread... https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...uld-i-use.html
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08-26-2022, 05:13 PM
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What? Thought you were done...come back when you have something interesting to contribute.
08-27-2022, 11:02 AM
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This thread was stickied to avoid the forum spamming this clown was doing by giving him a single place to post his crap. For a while there were posts every few days with mostly the same crap except for a few new results added. Considering that seems to have stopped, this sticky should really be dumped from the sticky list.
08-27-2022, 11:43 AM
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This thread was stickied to avoid the forum spamming this clown was doing by giving him a single place to post his crap. For a while there were posts every few days with mostly the same crap except for a few new results added. Considering that seems to have stopped, this sticky should really be dumped from the sticky list.
Maybe you and HandOver should take a break from this argument instead of creeping towards earning hostility and personal attack violations. Theres lots of other threads on the site.
08-27-2022, 07:33 PM
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Odd...last post in this Sticky was in 2013. I have not seen any clamor to close it to date... https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...t-oils-31.html