406 build.
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540 I should have clarified...cheap stuff meaning those build a bomb shortblocks and imported heads you see on ebay. In the right hands yes not so nice stuff can be put together to last....in the right hands
But expecting a cheapie I beam to do the job where a quality H beam is needed etc
Would be fun to build Makos new motor up to do it up appearance wise as teh stocker thats in it now. Or all grey..kind of like an old Traco motor with stock looking covers /spacers
Car is nice!
But expecting a cheapie I beam to do the job where a quality H beam is needed etc
Would be fun to build Makos new motor up to do it up appearance wise as teh stocker thats in it now. Or all grey..kind of like an old Traco motor with stock looking covers /spacers
Car is nice!
Not to hijack the thread what is considered quality. I have broken quality parts. It's all how it is prepped.
Melting Slicks
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From: Emerald Isle NC
Correction:
I was wrong on the oil pan. 63Mako had spec'd a Hamburger's 0170. This is the correct oil pan with the right side dipstick provision, and the pan that was ordered.
My bad!
Carter
I was wrong on the oil pan. 63Mako had spec'd a Hamburger's 0170. This is the correct oil pan with the right side dipstick provision, and the pan that was ordered.
My bad!
Carter
Melting Slicks
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From: Emerald Isle NC
SRP slugs arrived yesterday!!
Ordered the following yesterday (from Summit):
Water Pump EMP-22203
Bolt Kit ARP-534-9801
Oil Pickup HAM-9727
Timing Set CLO-9-3600TX9
Timing Cover TRD-9915
Gasket Kit FEL-TCS51241
Flywheel HAY-20-130
Nothing happening on engine otherwise. I'm busying myself replacing front wheel bearings, draining diff (500 mi. on rebuild), draining Trans. (500 mi from new), cleaning and checking for loose stuff from the work done last summer.
I do have some questions regarding Balancers. I've been looking at ATI balancers.
What material, Aluminum or Steel? (I want to say Alum.).
Do I need a hub for this? (I'm thinking yes).
What size? (clueless).
Thanks for all input!
Carter
Ordered the following yesterday (from Summit):
Water Pump EMP-22203
Bolt Kit ARP-534-9801
Oil Pickup HAM-9727
Timing Set CLO-9-3600TX9
Timing Cover TRD-9915
Gasket Kit FEL-TCS51241
Flywheel HAY-20-130
Nothing happening on engine otherwise. I'm busying myself replacing front wheel bearings, draining diff (500 mi. on rebuild), draining Trans. (500 mi from new), cleaning and checking for loose stuff from the work done last summer.
I do have some questions regarding Balancers. I've been looking at ATI balancers.
What material, Aluminum or Steel? (I want to say Alum.).
Do I need a hub for this? (I'm thinking yes).
What size? (clueless).
Thanks for all input!
Carter
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St. Jude Donor '05
Check that sizing on the ATI seems many of them may need a slight hone to fit right. Some force them on and can never get them back off haha
They are a good piece though.
always used fluidampners....one day maybe Ill make a switch
They are a good piece though.
always used fluidampners....one day maybe Ill make a switch
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St. Jude Donor '08-'09
SRP slugs arrived yesterday!!
Ordered the following yesterday (from Summit):
Water Pump EMP-22203
Bolt Kit ARP-534-9801
Oil Pickup HAM-9727
Timing Set CLO-9-3600TX9
Timing Cover TRD-9915
Gasket Kit FEL-TCS51241
Flywheel HAY-20-130
Nothing happening on engine otherwise. I'm busying myself replacing front wheel bearings, draining diff (500 mi. on rebuild), draining Trans. (500 mi from new), cleaning and checking for loose stuff from the work done last summer.
I do have some questions regarding Balancers. I've been looking at ATI balancers.
What material, Aluminum or Steel? (I want to say Alum.).
Do I need a hub for this? (I'm thinking yes).
What size? (clueless).
Thanks for all input!
Carter
Ordered the following yesterday (from Summit):
Water Pump EMP-22203
Bolt Kit ARP-534-9801
Oil Pickup HAM-9727
Timing Set CLO-9-3600TX9
Timing Cover TRD-9915
Gasket Kit FEL-TCS51241
Flywheel HAY-20-130
Nothing happening on engine otherwise. I'm busying myself replacing front wheel bearings, draining diff (500 mi. on rebuild), draining Trans. (500 mi from new), cleaning and checking for loose stuff from the work done last summer.
I do have some questions regarding Balancers. I've been looking at ATI balancers.
What material, Aluminum or Steel? (I want to say Alum.).
Do I need a hub for this? (I'm thinking yes).
What size? (clueless).
Thanks for all input!
Carter
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Off to machine shop next week?? I'm hopin'
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St. Jude Donor '08-'09
As the great Motorhead once said "Fast, Durable, Cheap. Pick two!" The very worst realization is when you spend an extraordinary amount of time, effort and money to build a really nice project and you have a catastrophic failure you know was caused by the one seemingly insignificant corner you cut or questionable quality part you bought and you know you made that choice. Been there, done that makes a sick feeling in the pit of your stomach thinking about it.
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As the great Motorhead once said "Fast, Durable, Cheap. Pick two!" The very worst realization is when you spend an extraordinary amount of time, effort and money to build a really nice project and you have a catastrophic failure you know was caused by the one seemingly insignificant corner you cut or questionable quality part you bought and you know you made that choice. Been there, done that makes a sick feeling in the pit of your stomach thinking about it.
I thought my stinger was a serious money pit. After reading what's done on your shark, you just made me feel whole lot better.
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St. Jude Donor '08-'09
I should call it never done. It is on it's 3rd time totally disassembled. This time to the frame, 100%. We won't even go to the $ part. Should have been frame off, 100% the first time. There goes that sick feeling in the pit of my stomach again.
Melting Slicks
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From: Emerald Isle NC
Update:
Loading up the truck this AM and taking it to my bud's place to get started. Probably going to clean up the block a bit before going to the machine shop later in the week.
Looking for input/instructions for the machine shop before it goes. Want to be sure I'm squared away on what to tell them.
Thanks all! Your input is valuable and appreciated
Carter
Loading up the truck this AM and taking it to my bud's place to get started. Probably going to clean up the block a bit before going to the machine shop later in the week.
Looking for input/instructions for the machine shop before it goes. Want to be sure I'm squared away on what to tell them.
Thanks all! Your input is valuable and appreciated
Carter
Melting Slicks
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From: Emerald Isle NC
Dropped off the block and rotating assy to machine shop yesterday. Guys there were real impressed with the parts selection. They asked about cam. Quoted specs to them.
Machinist said: "That gonna bark!" Should be about a week.
Deck at 9.013. Bore to stay at 4.125. Finish Hone, align hone if needed. Harm. Balancer checked/honed as needed. Rotating assy balanced. Block will need to be drilled for timing set oiling.
Moving along!!
Carter
Machinist said: "That gonna bark!" Should be about a week.
Deck at 9.013. Bore to stay at 4.125. Finish Hone, align hone if needed. Harm. Balancer checked/honed as needed. Rotating assy balanced. Block will need to be drilled for timing set oiling.
Moving along!!
Carter
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St. Jude Donor '08-'09
Awesome! Balancing is a variable that can be controlled. I would weight match pistons with each other, rods (big end and small end) with each other then the assembled units with each other. get them as close as possible, then balance the crank. This is one of those variables that will smooth out a strong build especially at high rpm. Helps keep it together long term. Good parts are usually closer to weight matched than cheaper parts. Are you real comfortable with your shops expertice? 
Melting Slicks
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I am real confident in this machine shop's abilities. They are very familiar with SHP blocks and have been mentioned/recommended to me by several car guys/hot rodders around here (for whatever that's worth...). They were very impressed with this combo, and knew that the "homework" had been done on this.
So, two questions:
The Melling oil pump I ordered has an inlet of about 3/4" The oil pickup tube is approx. 5/8". I wasn't aware there were different sizes. I'll look around in a bit to see if I can figure out what I did wrong here. Some here may already know...
Do I need to replace my Distributor drive gear to a bronze gear? I have heard that some cams can't use the normal composition gear.
63mako, cuisinart, bluedawg: You guys have been huge on this, and I am listening!!
Thanks to ALL the posters!!
Carter
So, two questions:
The Melling oil pump I ordered has an inlet of about 3/4" The oil pickup tube is approx. 5/8". I wasn't aware there were different sizes. I'll look around in a bit to see if I can figure out what I did wrong here. Some here may already know...
Do I need to replace my Distributor drive gear to a bronze gear? I have heard that some cams can't use the normal composition gear.
63mako, cuisinart, bluedawg: You guys have been huge on this, and I am listening!!
Thanks to ALL the posters!!
Carter
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St. Jude Donor '08-'09
Oil pumps come both sizes. Get the correct tube and stake it or tack weld it, make sure the tube, oil pump, pickup and pan are compatable. If you got the billet cam with pressed on iron gear I recommended your stock Dist gear will be fine. You will need a roller tipped, composite or bronze tipped fuel pump pushrod.