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Old Apr 6, 2013 | 08:55 PM
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Default BBC Vacumn pump for excessive crankcase pressure

What are your thoughts?

My brothers running a wicked BBC in his Camaro and thinks he needs one because the engine "leaks oil out all of the seals".

I don't know exact specs but I'd imagine the rings aren't the tightest.
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Old Apr 7, 2013 | 01:57 AM
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Default He/everyone needs some form of crankcase ventilation.

I could say it all again but u can just as easily type in search for crankcase ventilation on this forum. But if your bro has oil leaking out the seals then it sounds like he has none. Most street cars just use the PCV vlv from vlv cover to the intake. Older car just had a oil fill cap with a steel wool filter inside.

Hope this helps and let me/us know if u have any specific questions after u read up,
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The crankcase has to have a vent. It can be a simple 'breather' on one of the valve covers; or it can be a PCV valve system which will keep the engine compartment much cleaner. To work properly, the PCV system needs to have the PCV valve in one valve cover and a 'fresh air' pathway from the air cleaner to the other valve cover. This will relieve any built-up pressure in the crankcase.
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a buddy of mine with a 489 in a mud truck is having the same problem,it was leak free until we got it tuned to turn up in the 7000-7500 rpm range,still leak free at the lower rpms,he put a BIG breather on both valve covers and it helped but still is not enough.
we discussed a vac pump but don't think it will pull the volume needed.
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Your engine is the largest 'vacuum pump' available to you. That's why you connect the output of the PCV valve to the base of the carb...the intake SUCKS the crankcase fumes into the fuel charge and burns them. Just use what is already at your disposal....don't add more unnecessary 'junk' under the hood.
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with the performance he is getting ( and still looking for more ) he doesn't want to suck all the oil vapor back through the intake.
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Whatever... He has 'choices'. If he just wants to vent it to the atmosphere, fine. It's doesn't take a brain surgeon to vent a crankcase.
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Whatever... He has 'choices'. If he just wants to vent it to the atmosphere, fine. It's doesn't take a brain surgeon to vent a crankcase.

I would be looking at the source of all the pressure.
What is CR?
And how old are the rings and what were they speced for?
Has he checked the compression of each cylinder?

I would be looking at those before putting a vacuum pump in which is like a bandaid on a gaping wound.
Covers up the problem but does not solve

imo

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the engine in question probably has 20-25 hours up to this point,so its like new. i forget what the ring end gaps were set at, but they were all hand fit. the engine is not anywhere close to worn out.if the rpms are kept below 6000 or so it stays dry,that eliminates any assembly errors or worn parts. i,m not sure what its putting out HP wise but it will lift the front wheels on a 7000lb 4x4 truck.
i suspect the excessive crankcase pressure is due to the exhaust being somewhat restricted,however he is not interested in going deaf to stop some oil leaks. we will explore options there next
i don't think a vac pump is even a band aid,just something we discussed
i also understand its not brain surgery to vent a crankcase, but i am also smart enough to know when you build and actually run an engine like this to its full potential there are a few things that crop up that need to be sorted out.
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He already has a vacuum pump . . . .. The engine itself!
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imo, if he's pushing oil at high rpm, then his ring tension is all wrong. Low tension drag racing rings a meant for just that, 1/4 mile bursts of rpm. Not street cars.
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its not a street car it's a mud truck.........kind of like drag racing in the mud.
a few of the guys he runs with have some sort of a rig plumbed into the exhaust system that creates a venturi ,i need to do more research and see what is involved , trying to keep it cheap and simple.
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Originally Posted by dtamustang
the engine in question probably has 20-25 hours up to this point,so its like new. i forget what the ring end gaps were set at, but they were all hand fit. the engine is not anywhere close to worn out.if the rpms are kept below 6000 or so it stays dry,that eliminates any assembly errors or worn parts. i,m not sure what its putting out HP wise but it will lift the front wheels on a 7000lb 4x4 truck.
i suspect the excessive crankcase pressure is due to the exhaust being somewhat restricted,however he is not interested in going deaf to stop some oil leaks. we will explore options there next
i don't think a vac pump is even a band aid,just something we discussed
i also understand its not brain surgery to vent a crankcase, but i am also smart enough to know when you build and actually run an engine like this to its full potential there are a few things that crop up that need to be sorted out.
I had same issue with my 489 right from fresh build-up - simple vents from valve covers were ok but at high rpm you could smell the oil vapours within the car. Changed to PCV system, but even then the pressure was significant to keep blowing out any sealant fixing dipstick tube to block. I was plagued for a long while with excess oil consumption - untill I simply used some hose and a pair of hose clips to seal dipstick tube to block.
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Like this.

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that is simple and easy, it that your set up and does it work?
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bagmup.........just did a little research,that looks like a simple answer to the problem.
you learn something new every day.......thanks
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Originally Posted by dtamustang
that is simple and easy, it that your set up and does it work?
Nah, not mine, but i've hung around dragstrips for 30 years and all supergas dragsters run this setup.
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bagmup...............is the term on your side of the world goodo or good on ya ?
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