Since the new Cars are going to Electric Power Steering, ( I'm not sure about the C7) Has anybody had any thoughts of going this route ?

 

I cant see the problem with a slightly reduced (increased) turning radius.

Just flip the trottle at the same time one let up the clutch and voila, one have a much tighter turning radius then any Volvo have ever had!

//Ricky.

 

I have had my Steeroids for a couple of years now and i can assure you that this hypotetic problem of yours is absolutely non existing.

Yes the turning radius IS slightly increased but if you cant do a u-turn on an 4 lane road there must be something wrong with your setup..

What R&P unit are you reffering to?

//Ricky.

 

Yep; there's a companay selling units for C1/C2 corvettes, but their unit is expensive.

Looking into using a GM europe (Opel/Vauxhall) electric PS unit, which are plentifull here. Issues:
- Fitting it under the dash,
- Signal to the speedcontrol box (either simulated or actual signal).

 

Did some search on "hypotetic" and it seems to be a newly invented version of "hypothetical" that is not yet in the English dictionary. Thanks for verifying that your R&P installation has increased your minimum turning radius. It was the Steeroids conversion that I had at one time considered. I admit to being **** about certain safety related mods. I'll never spend time and money to increase my minimum turning radius even one inch. That one inch could lead to ruining my right front rim or getting rear ended. Unless you possess remote viewing skills you can't possibly know what I am sometimes confronted with. While my concerns may be nearly mine alone they are not hypothetical. I'm glad for you that in your area the Steeroids conversion has been a net-plus, win-win situation.

 

Haha, I am sorry for struggling a bit with the spelling. I have to excuse myself for been born in the land of "Far-far away".

Well for me it was a win-win, because I am not really bothered with the very little increase in turning radius compared to the other positive sides of the installation.

Well.. No, I cant possibly know what YOU are confronted with so therefore I don't bother speculate about that.

Thanks for the English lesson.

 

I can't speak about the Borgeson but I have a '76 with the stock steering in good shape and a '74 with a Rack Attack conversion. Both are power steering. They both track straight and true and I really have to look for differences. The turning radius might be a little bigger with the Rack Attack but I really have to look for it to notice it. Both cars go exactly where I point them on the highway. I'm not correcting for wandering in either car. If I look for it, yes there is a little play in the stock steering but I really have to look for it. There might be a inch in either direction when going in a straight line but nothing you would really notice in normal driving. I have autocrossed the '76 and the car went exactly where I wanted. I will autocross the '74 in a couple weeks so I'll see how that handles.

My opinion is that if you are complaining about loose steering in a C3, then you have worn components somewhere.

 

Interesting comments about the stock steering versus R&P steering on a C3. My 78 has a blueprinted/rebuilt OEM steering box by GTR1999 aka Gary Ramadei using the OEM gears, a custom olite shaft bushing, and hand adjusted for feel and play. Besides the rebuilt OEM steering box everything else in the system is the original piece-never replaced,no leaking-The steering is dead on with ZERO play. My other 5 cars have R&P and the 78 is real close in terms of steering response. R&P steering seems to have quicker steering ratio and so does the Borgeson box along with better "feel". I just replaced my 94 Mustang GT Convertible R&P steering rack (leaking) with a 2003 Mustang Cobra rack this past weekend-slightly better feel and quicker ratio but basically the same. I always wonder what the OEM steering box would feel like if it had the quicker steering ratio like the Borgeson?

 

I've driven a lot of these cars over the decades and there can be quite a difference in handling from car to car. The 80 F41 optioned I had was a low mile car that had never been messed with. It was one of the tightest stock C2/C3 cars I have driven. It tracked very well and even did real well on the autocross track with 255/60/15 tires after I did some alignment changes.

Now my 75 Vert is another story. It had 75,000 on it and the PO had some shop do their "Stage II" suspension job on it. They put in new 550# front springs and a 360 glass on the back with big sway bars front and rear. Tubular nut lock tie rods were installed and heim joint strut rods in back. The problem is they left the worn out tie rod ends, idler, steering box, ball joints and trailing arm bushings. It was a mess. You didn't know where this car was going to go while driving.

So for obvious reasons I pulled all the suspension and steering front and back off this car. I did a lot of changes and upgrades. I chose to put the Steeroids on just because I liked the fact you could adjust bump steer and I know how they feel on late model cars. It is lighter too which I like. All the joints between the steering column and the rack is a little funky, but if you spend the time to get it all aligned properly, they steer very smoothly and you can't tell they are there. I already weighed in on the larger turning radius. The mounting brackets look a little light weight, but the are properly gusseted so that they are fairly stiff. I tied flexing them after mounting and before I put the rack on. If I decide they aren't stiff enough when I get back on the road, I will fix that.

My point? The stock steering when tight works very well. I haven't tried the Borgeson, but I'm sure it is nice if the rest of the car is right and people seem to like them. Many people love their racks to though. Any of these steering choices done right (I stress right!) with a properly set up car will work and make the cars enjoyable to drive.

 

Hi John

I have the VBP offset A-arms. Currently 5 1/2° of caster. Should be plenty.

As for the box : it has been rebuilt. I put in a new pitman and sector that was available at the time from Corvette South. Maybe that's the issue. Don't know. Seems to have a really bad or difficult to find center.

 

If this is adjusted too tight you will have the problem you are writing about. Too loose and you have slop at the steering wheel.

 

If you have the VBP offset tub A-arms your steering radius is reduced way more then the rack will reduce it.

I have them also,

Neal

 

I have replaced the stock steering with the Borgenson unit on my 74. I have had no problems with it even with the Hooker side mount headers. Drives like a dream

 

I am doing an LSX swap in my 75. Has anyone done a R&P kit on a LSX set up car and how well does it clear the Oil pan.

 

I still had to do a final alignment after the car was complete again and with a full tank of gas and just did that today.

I tackled the steering a little bit different. I put the flat in the 12 o'clock position as suggested by Jim Shea and then set the toe in on the car. A lot better now, but its a little loose around center. I already adjusted it quite a lot. I think adjusting it more will only serve to decrease the steering wheel returnability.

Don't know but the price of a rack setup is quite high. I rather spend that money on a 5-speed.

 

Not sure what oil pan you are planning on using as I used a batwing off of a C5. Jeep box had plenty of clearance between exhaust manifold.

Here is the jeep box in my swap.
Plenty of room.

 

I currently have a truck Pan on but think I am going to change it due to ground clearence. I keep seeing stuff about the jeep steering box. What is the advantage to it?
Thanks

 

I went with Jeep because my old system leaked just as much after I repaired as before. Swapped out and eliminated the cylinder and 2 of the hoses. Closure steering ratio. You better go with a batwing oil pan or you won't have much if any ground clearance. Couple for sale on LS forum.

 

Is there a thread on this modification? I want to do it but need more info.

 

Borgeson is a drop in everything complete kit. I like to scrounge and modify so I went the salvage yard route.

http://www.vettemod.com/forum/showth...highlight=jeep