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Old May 21, 2013 | 07:33 PM
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Pulled the engine out in January. Left the bottom end together. Pulled the heads to change springs and retainers. Installed a Crower hyd. roller with Morrel lifters (225/232 duration at .050, .536/.551 lift). I'm using Comp 1.52 roller tip rockers, so the lift is slightly higher. I got slowed down with the cam button and custom pushrod length issues but I finally got the engine back in, with steel motor mounts this time. They were problematic fitting over the chassis mounts, but at least I won't have the air cleaner wing nut and stud hitting the hood anymore due to a broken mount. Got the engine running and timed Saturday and checked headlight actuation - no problem. No leaks anywhere, but it was raining so no test drive. This evening I got out to my local testing road, using regular street tires. Definitely more power, especially at upper rpms and it will absolutely smoke the tires from a 15 mph roll now, where as before it would merely spin them. Standing start WOT is like being in neutral, but it did that before. Also, there is no more detonation which I used to get ar part throttle. So overall, I'm happy with the results. The real test will come on June 8 at Englishtown. I will let you know what happens.
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Old May 21, 2013 | 08:22 PM
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you won't be happy with your tire bill .lol.
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Old May 21, 2013 | 09:23 PM
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That's great Bruce. I was just wondering today how your project was going. It sounds like you'll be flying as long as you can hook up that new found power. Looking forward to a post race report!
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Old May 21, 2013 | 09:28 PM
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I'm basically dining the same thing as you. How did you figure out the right push rod size and how did you get the thrust button to spec?
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Originally Posted by garygnu
you won't be happy with your tire bill .lol.
Actually I drive it like the old man that I am most of the time.

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That's great Bruce. I was just wondering today how your project was going. It sounds like you'll be flying as long as you can hook up that new found power. Looking forward to a post race report!
Les - I think the new cam won't add much power down around 3K rpm, my stall speed, so I'm hoping it hooks about the same. We'll see.

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I'm basically dining the same thing as you. How did you figure out the right push rod size and how did you get the thrust button to spec?
I bought 4 or 5 buttons. Ended up dimpling the timing chain cover slightly using a bolt which screws into a tapped hole, for this purpose, in my Moroso water pump. This was a trial an error process but got to almost zero front/back movement. I used Manley pushrods. They make them in .050" increments. We used an adjustable testing pushrod and set the length with a test spring on one valve, so the lifter wouldn't compress. We checked at 3/4 of max lift and eyeballed the location of the roller on the valve. I ended up with 7.100" pushrod length. So far, so good.
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Old May 22, 2013 | 12:26 AM
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I look forward to the quarter mile times.
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Old May 22, 2013 | 08:01 AM
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It's about time!

You will be quite happy with that cam. Can't wait to hear the results
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Originally Posted by bluedawg
I look forward to the quarter mile times.
I don't expect new overall best numbers, due to the summer conditions. But the car was running was running 12.5/12.6 in the heat last year, so 12.3/12.4 would be good now.

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It's about time!

You will be quite happy with that cam. Can't wait to hear the results
It is about time. Since the lifters are reusable, maybe I'll try another cam next year.
BTW - Sorry to hear about your personal difficulties.
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So I'm going to be installing the came with the motor in the car and the bottom end in. Any advice on how to set the end play? Also, with the push rods, how do you know when you have the right size. Last question, did you use the same gas pump push rod, or did you have to use some different one?
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Old May 22, 2013 | 09:39 PM
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So I'm going to be installing the came with the motor in the car and the bottom end in. Any advice on how to set the end play? Also, with the push rods, how do you know when you have the right size. Last question, did you use the same gas pump push rod, or did you have to use some different one?
In my case the fuel pump pushrod and distributor gear can be stock, but you need to confirm that for your particular cam.
The end play is a trial and error routine with bolting the sprocket on and putting a button in place, stick the cam in and put the cover on loosely and see if it hits the button. If it does you can dimple the cover there slightly and retry. Slide the cam back and forth with a screwdriver through a lifter hole until it barely moves, maybe .010". Then you need to support the cover. I did that with the extra bolt in the water pump.
The pushrod setup is like I described above. You need an adjustable pushrod (one) and a light spring to replace a valvespring. Start with the pushrod adjusted to equal the difference in flat tappet and roller lifter height, approx 3/4 inch shorter than stock. Mark the top of the valve stem with magic marker, put the rocker on, set at zero lash and turn the crankshaft two revolutions and look at the contact pattern on the valve stem. It should be centered or slightly to the outside.
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I went with the push rod length that the cam grinder recommended for their HR retrofit cam. It was bang on dead center on top of the valve stem.
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I went with the push rod length that the cam grinder recommended for their HR retrofit cam. It was bang on dead center on top of the valve stem.
If you're using the same brand of cam and lifters, that would surely be the right way to go, or to get very close. I was using different brands.
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Happy to see you finally got them problems sorted out with your cam swap. Sounds like you won't have any trouble running 11's in good air. Hope to see you at the track, if we ever go racing again!
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I'll be waiting for your results from June 8TH..... Good luck...
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Happy to see you finally got them problems sorted out with your cam swap. Sounds like you won't have any trouble running 11's in good air. Hope to see you at the track, if we ever go racing again!
I'm trying not to make too many predictions. You know how hard it is sometimes to run the numbers that you expect to run. Maybe I'll see you at the Thurs nite cruise.

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I'll be waiting for your results from June 8TH..... Good luck...
Thanks. I will make a full report here, good, bad or ugly.
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