1980 bad idle, rough start, timing
My mechanic adjusted the timing when I got the car and rebuilt the carb but for the life of him could not get the car to idle down properly. He's not a tuning shop, but has been building and restoring for 30+ years and really knows his stuff.
With so many small possible problems we just left it idling high and drivable while we work on the interior.
When we take the car out of drive and put it in park, the RPM shoots up past 1500 (even though it idles lower than that after warm up and choke fully open), and if we turn it off the engine runs on and shakes badly. It seems the throttle sticks a little. If it push it up a little manually, it will stay there, and I can push it back down in the same fashion.
So we added another spring to the throttle return and the throttle doesn't jump up when parking anymore! But now warm-up is a bitch, I have to hold the throttle or the idle will drop too much and it will stall. I screwed in the low idle screw to prevent that, but we end up at the same high idle state, only without the run-on.
If I adjust the idle to the point it will warm up, the idle drops from 1100 to 700 when I put it in gear, but any lower than that it it chokes and dies. I don't think park idle should be 1100 when warm though...
Electronic choke functions, I've watched it from fully closed to fully open as the engine warms.
Sorry for the long post... I am leaning towards a dizzy that needs some love, or additional work on the vac system. I just replaced the headlight hoses and still no luck, still need to change the rest though.
Any thought or guidance would be much appreciated. I've got Lars' papers on vac and timing but still need to grab a light gun
Last edited by brainsoft; Jul 31, 2013 at 09:45 PM. Reason: typos
The PCV bushing on the stock rocker cover seems... crappy. Any special way to remove it and replace it? Might it contribute to a vac leak as well?
On starting now the car doesn't hit a fast idle, I have to hold the gas for a bit until it has warmed up slightly. Choke is still operating properly. Is there a fast idle adjustment screw I can play with on a holley? It has a 600cfm Holley 6619-1 (4160 body). I have the Holley spec sheet, but I'd love to have a user manual for it
Last edited by brainsoft; Aug 6, 2013 at 06:31 AM.
On starting now the car doesn't hit a fast idle, I have to hold the gas for a bit until it has warmed up slightly. Choke is still operating properly. Is there a fast idle adjustment screw I can play with on a holley? It has a 600cfm Holley 6619-1 (4160 body). I have the Holley spec sheet, but I'd love to have a user manual for it
These cars are notorious for vac leaks.
Get all the info you need on your Holley here:
http://www.holley.com/TechService/Instructions.asp
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Your carb is an early 70's emission carb designed for a bone stock 350. Holley doesn't make them anymore.
If your car has a cam, different heads or any other kind of modification from bone stock smog crawler, it will not run right.
What can I do to determine if the cams were changed without pulling the covers?
I changed the wires and dizzy rotor/cap and all cyclinders are firing every single time now, and it has smoothed out a lot. With the new harmonic balancer I should actually be able to see the timing mark, and the dizzy recurve kit should get it running in top order. Still investigating the hard starting I am experiencing, and need to do a leak down test still. Investigating possibility of sticking valve in #8, which is also the only plug that was half/half when I swapped them. I think it is long enough now to re-read them and see how that one looks after a few hundred kms.
I changed the wires and dizzy rotor/cap and all cyclinders are firing every single time now, and it has smoothed out a lot. With the new harmonic balancer I should actually be able to see the timing mark, and the dizzy recurve kit should get it running in top order. Still investigating the hard starting I am experiencing, and need to do a leak down test still. Investigating possibility of sticking valve in #8, which is also the only plug that was half/half when I swapped them. I think it is long enough now to re-read them and see how that one looks after a few hundred kms.
If its hard starting after its warm, look inside the carb for dripping after you shut it down. This would cause a flooding condition.
Should I HAVE to pump the gas to get it to start? I have to pump the gas to get it to fire up, and hold the throttle a bit to keep the rpm up for a few seconds to get it to stay running.
Old guy I work with suggested pulling the intake in the winter and making sure the exhaust crossover in the intake isn't completely clogged up as it might contribute with hard starting until the passenger side exhaust coil valve has opened all the way. Still starts not great after running hot, though I will see how it runs after a good jog with the new everything put back together.
I don't recall anything dripping in the carb, but I will check that as well.













