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Old Apr 5, 2014 | 07:42 PM
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Would you replace a starter using a 3-ton jack and jack stands? I'm thinking right front wheel off and jack stands (I have four at 2-ton each) on front suspension and side frame. Rear wheels blocked. I am a little hesitant to do this job. Anyone have a pic?
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Absolutely
No pics because it seemed so simple, but just did this on my '74.
Pretty easy job

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Absolutely
No pics because it seemed so simple, but just did this on my '74.
Pretty easy job

Did your ground wire go from the motor mount to the front brace? Did you need shims?

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Originally Posted by paul 74
Did your ground wire go from the motor mount to the front brace? Did you need shims?
Ground to mount, no shims.
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Old Apr 5, 2014 | 09:11 PM
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DISCONNECT BATTERY FIRST!!!!!

Check condition of fusible links and wiring going to solenoid. Check (or replace) primary engine ground wire and connections.

Verify that the (2) starter retaining bolts are the 'knurled shank' bolts which keep the GM starters in proper alignment.

Rebuild the solenoid and starter or replace them. (Rebuilding them is easy and much less expensive.)

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I did mine on ramps. Very easy.

I 2nd 7T1's advice - disconnect the battery. Lots of places to ground the largest cable you got - that's coming straight off the (+) battery lead.
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I do everything on jack stands if i'm at home
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Old Apr 5, 2014 | 10:06 PM
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I do it that way all the time. Don't really have a choice. My shop has an 8 foot ceiling. Thirty years ago when I built my shop, who would have thought you'd be able to buy a lift for $5000?
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Or, for $2500 (on sale)
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Going to direct my answer more to my opinion of the ?.
3 ton jack can be great, 3 ton jack stands may be a bit tall.
How much does your car weigh? Still a bit new to these, but they should be between 3 to 3,500 pounds stock. Give or take either way.

1 ton = 2,000 pounds. 3 ton jack or jack stand can hold 6,000 pounds.
Jack the car up and balance it on one stand your safe weight wise. (the whole balance thing is pretty stupid though)

Point being the light weight stuff is fine.
Ramps or a jack and jack stand.

Going to add to that.
Figure the car (as an example weighs 4,000 pounds 2 tons)
Your only lifting 1,000 pounds to pick up a corner. (in a perfect world).
Overkill is never bad in this situation. But a 2 ton jack/jack stand is just fine.

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Or, for $2500 (on sale)
Yeah, that makes me feel WAY better!
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Of course. Ive done many over the years just like that.
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Hello Paul. What I do is remove the bump stops from the lower control arms. Four bolts. I jack up the front of the car with a 3T jack on the front cross member with a short piece of 2X6 as a cushion. I have never damaged the cross member but some cringe at doing it this way. I then place my primary stands between the lower shock mount and the lower ball joint inside of the control arm. Here.





After lowering the car to rest on the primaries, making sure all four corners of the stands are touching the concrete, I place the secondary stands under the frame. Set secondary stands as high as they can go and slide them to the rear of the car until they touch the frame. You can leave the jack under the front cross member for more safety but not as support. Leave the jack raised to just touch the cross member. Be careful and good luck with it. mike...

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Originally Posted by 7T1vette
DISCONNECT BATTERY FIRST!!!!!

Check condition of fusible links and wiring going to solenoid. Check (or replace) primary engine ground wire and connections.

Verify that the (2) starter retaining bolts are the 'knurled shank' bolts which keep the GM starters in proper alignment.

Rebuild the solenoid and starter or replace them. (Rebuilding them is easy and much less expensive.)

I have a battery disconnect.

Retaining bolts and starter are new.

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Mike,

Those positions are about what I had in mind.
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I use my floor jack placed about midway between the front/rear wheels on the frame and jack the whole side. Place the jack stands as per the service manual front/rear. Do the same on the opposite side. Saves a time doing one jack stand at a time.
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Where does the Service Manual say to put the jack stands?

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I use my floor jack placed about midway between the front/rear wheels on the frame and jack the whole side. Place the jack stands as per the service manual front/rear. Do the same on the opposite side. Saves a time doing one jack stand at a time.
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Originally Posted by cyveiliog
Where does the Service Manual say to put the jack stands?
Basically it (1974 Chevrolet Service Manual) assumes that a lift(s) is in place at the dealer, as of course it is(are). The recommendations are not really meaningful.

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Not meaningful? Explain please.
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Originally Posted by resdoggie
I use my floor jack placed about midway between the front/rear wheels on the frame and jack the whole side. Place the jack stands as per the service manual front/rear. Do the same on the opposite side. Saves a time doing one jack stand at a time.
No problem with this that I can see. What I avoid is jacking one corner at a time and twisting the frame. When I lift my car, time is not the most important issue. mike...
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