Borgeson or Steroid
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Borgeson or Steroid
The misses no longer enjoys driving the 79, says the steering don't feel right. I have adjusted the preload and have played with the endplay set screw, but either it's too loose, or too tight, won't return to center. Fit up with fooling with it so we decided to upgrade. Which upgrade would u guys recommend. The Borgeson or the Steroid rack and pinion.
Thanks
Clyde
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Clyde
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Both Danny Popp and Brian Hobaugh are champion racers, and both use a Borgeson unit. If it is heavy duty enough for them, it is good enough for me. No serious vintage Corvette racer that I know of uses a Steeroids unit.
The Borgeson unit can be bought for significantly less than Steeroids if you know where to buy it...I got mine on sale with free shipping for $570 at buyautoparts.com. They issue coupon codes for sales every once in awhile.
http://www.buyautoparts.com/buynow/1...ml?xref=282764
The Borgeson unit can be bought for significantly less than Steeroids if you know where to buy it...I got mine on sale with free shipping for $570 at buyautoparts.com. They issue coupon codes for sales every once in awhile.
http://www.buyautoparts.com/buynow/1...ml?xref=282764
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Thanks for the input, but if the Borgeson gives you a good tight steering set up, why would someone spend the extra money on the rack and pinion? Maybe someone with the steroid setup can chime in and give some benefits of the steroid rack and pinion. I don't just want to go withe the Borgeson because it's cheaper and find out she's still not comfortable to drive on the highway. The wife has R and P in her daily driver and that is responsive. I rebuilt the steering box in the last year and set it up according to the procedure and still having problems. Guess i just don't want to make a hasty decision only to be disappointed. I find u usually get what u pay for.
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Is she looking for road feel or ease of use? The Borg box has a better ratio than the factory box and the integral power steering instead of the linkage assist like we have is supposed to be better overall. Plus, it looks factory which I like.
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I had both and went from steeroids to Borgeson due to legislation and technical inspection. If I had to do it all over again I would choose Borgeson.
They feel the same but from a engineering point of view I prefer the components used by the Borgeson system. (Ball joints, drag link, pitman arm, rag joint)
Nick
They feel the same but from a engineering point of view I prefer the components used by the Borgeson system. (Ball joints, drag link, pitman arm, rag joint)
Nick
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Thanks guys, I really appreciate your time. I guess really what's she's looking for is something that goes where she points it and doesn't require her to be always sawing on the steering wheel. Sounds like Borg can give her that. Thanks again.
Clyde
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just about the only thing made today with the box are trucks
just about every performance car today uses the rack
stay with the rack
I'm running my own DIY rack set up based on the Steroids set up
Neal
just about every performance car today uses the rack
stay with the rack
I'm running my own DIY rack set up based on the Steroids set up
Neal
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Neal, I gotta say, I like the feel of the wife's Grand am better than I do driving my Silverado, lol, just did som research on the Rackattack and the Steeroid rack an pinion. Checked out the Borg as well. Not sure if the Borgeson will even fit with my Hooker header sidepipes. Not much room in there. Had to make an indent in the headers just to get them from hitting the stock box. Anyone else have any input on this. Thanks again Clyde
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Neal, I gotta say, I like the feel of the wife's Grand am better than I do driving my Silverado, lol, just did som research on the Rackattack and the Steeroid rack an pinion. Checked out the Borg as well. Not sure if the Borgeson will even fit with my Hooker header sidepipes. Not much room in there. Had to make an indent in the headers just to get them from hitting the stock box. Anyone else have any input on this. Thanks again Clyde
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-t...steeroids.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-t...n-install.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-t...g-install.html
BTW, there is an active Canadian section on the forum:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/canadian-events-97/
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Neal, I gotta say, I like the feel of the wife's Grand am better than I do driving my Silverado, lol, just did som research on the Rackattack and the Steeroid rack an pinion. Checked out the Borg as well. Not sure if the Borgeson will even fit with my Hooker header sidepipes. Not much room in there. Had to make an indent in the headers just to get them from hitting the stock box. Anyone else have any input on this. Thanks again Clyde
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I'll add another +1 for the Borgeson conversion. My old steering box was pretty worn and even with the rest of the front suspension rebuilt and a good control valve and piston the steering bordered on scary (crossed the border a few times). The Borgeson box was pretty easy to install, looks stock to the untrained eye, eliminates 2 hoses and dramatically improves the steering. You can do a 90 degree turn with a little more than 1/2 tuen of the wheel and you can feel the front tires moving when you wiggle the wheel.
I bought mine at buyautoparts.com also. I waited for a sale coupon so I think I got a 10% off deal. The site didn't register the discount so I had to call the next day to get the discount applied. BuyAutoParts is in Calif. so I thought it would take 2 weeks to get the item, but it was drop shipped from Borgeson in Conn. so I got it in 2 days.
Rick B.
I bought mine at buyautoparts.com also. I waited for a sale coupon so I think I got a 10% off deal. The site didn't register the discount so I had to call the next day to get the discount applied. BuyAutoParts is in Calif. so I thought it would take 2 weeks to get the item, but it was drop shipped from Borgeson in Conn. so I got it in 2 days.
Rick B.
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Neal, I gotta say, I like the feel of the wife's Grand am better than I do driving my Silverado, lol, just did som research on the Rackattack and the Steeroid rack an pinion. Checked out the Borg as well. Not sure if the Borgeson will even fit with my Hooker header sidepipes. Not much room in there. Had to make an indent in the headers just to get them from hitting the stock box. Anyone else have any input on this. Thanks again Clyde
I am very happy that I went with the Borgeson.
Last edited by Bangkok Dean; Aug 19, 2014 at 01:13 AM.
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I am defiantly leaning towards the Borge, but I run hooker Large tube SS headers with side pipes. I had to dimple the # 1 tube where the label is to clear my stock box. I am off shore now, but when I get I will give it a closer look fir clearance. If i have to go with the R/P does anyone know if the Steeroid or the Rackattack will clear my 7 quart pan. Thanks again guys for all the info, i really would like to make the right decision here the first time.
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Clyde - it looks like you're running a small block, I think the likelihood that you have a fitment issue is incredibly low. I have tons of clearance in my small block, running 1 5/8" headers. 78, for what it's worth.
Numerous people have installed these on big blocks with headers as well, with minimal-to-no need for clearancing.
Numerous people have installed these on big blocks with headers as well, with minimal-to-no need for clearancing.
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Clyde - it looks like you're running a small block, I think the likelihood that you have a fitment issue is incredibly low. I have tons of clearance in my small block, running 1 5/8" headers. 78, for what it's worth.
Numerous people have installed these on big blocks with headers as well, with minimal-to-no need for clearancing.
Numerous people have installed these on big blocks with headers as well, with minimal-to-no need for clearancing.
