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Old Aug 31, 2014 | 02:32 PM
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I recently changed both my power steering pump and power steering control valve, it worked great for the past week or so. Then this morning after warming the car up I was pulling out of the driveway and the steering felt pretty stiff, then I noticed at a stop it was very difficult to turn the wheel. I stopped to check the belt, tight, so I checked the fluid level, right in the middle of full and add. No leaks - so, what are my options? As usual, thanks for looking and any help you can give.
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I would suspect the power steering pump myself.

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I would suspect the power steering pump myself.

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Thanks DUB, figures, the damn thing is only about a month old and its the second in less than 6 weeks, the one prior started to leak in less than a week now this one seems to be dead
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Thanks DUB, figures, the damn thing is only about a month old and its the second in less than 6 weeks, the one prior started to leak in less than a week now this one seems to be dead
Fill it up, turn the steering R-L full tilt, until it goes EEEEE and then fill it again, let it set overnight.....

then see what happens.....

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Thanks DUB, figures, the damn thing is only about a month old and its the second in less than 6 weeks, the one prior started to leak in less than a week now this one seems to be dead
You should actually see a bit of movement in the p/s fluid when the engine is running and the cap is off....if you are lucky so be able to see down into the reservoir.

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Fill it up, turn the steering R-L full tilt, until it goes EEEEE and then fill it again, let it set overnight.....

then see what happens.....

It has fluid in it...
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You should actually see a bit of movement in the p/s fluid when the engine is running and the cap is off....if you are lucky so be able to see down into the reservoir.

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Thanks, I'll take a look to see what I can see.
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I think you nailed it DUB, I did put in a little more fluid just to bring it up close to the top, started it up - no movement

DAMN!!! Well I hope the third is the charm
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Recently there was a posting where a new PS pump had a stuck flow control valve. If that valve (which is located inside the pump) sticks you will not have any power assist.

Remove the power steering hose assembly, now you will be able to unscrew the pump discharge fitting. Behind the fitting will be a slider valve and then a spring. You should be able to take a long probe and push on the valve. It should easily slide back and forth in the pump housing valve bore against the spring. If it sticks you have found the source of your problem.
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Originally Posted by Jim Shea
Recently there was a posting where a new PS pump had a stuck flow control valve. If that valve (which is located inside the pump) sticks you will not have any power assist.

Remove the power steering hose assembly, now you will be able to unscrew the pump discharge fitting. Behind the fitting will be a slider valve and then a spring. You should be able to take a long probe and push on the valve. It should easily slide back and forth in the pump housing valve bore against the spring. If it sticks you have found the source of your problem.
Thank you Jim
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One Question Jim, can this be done with it attached to the motor or do I have to pull it
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One Question Jim, can this be done with it attached to the motor or do I have to pull it
It can be done with the pump on the engine. Or at least should be.

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It can be done with the pump on the engine. Or at least should be.

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Thanks DUB, guess I'll crawl under it tomorrow after work, been a lazy bastard all day today
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Originally Posted by Jim Shea
Recently there was a posting where a new PS pump had a stuck flow control valve. If that valve (which is located inside the pump) sticks you will not have any power assist.

Remove the power steering hose assembly, now you will be able to unscrew the pump discharge fitting. Behind the fitting will be a slider valve and then a spring. You should be able to take a long probe and push on the valve. It should easily slide back and forth in the pump housing valve bore against the spring. If it sticks you have found the source of your problem.
Jim, just so I'm clear on what I should do, in the picture below (taken from one of your papers - thank you), after taking off the power steering hose from the back I unscrew the #24 in the pic below to test if the valve is sticking or not?



Thank you for your help and time! Tony
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jim, just so i'm clear on what i should do, in the picture below (taken from one of your papers - thank you), after taking off the power steering hose from the back i unscrew the #24 in the pic below to test if the valve is sticking or not?



thank you for your help and time! Tony
correct!

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Thanks Dub, I did pull that out but didn't find any spring. I probed around in there with a phillips screw driver but couldn't get anything to move so I put it all back together, filled with oil and it worked. It fills stiffer so I don't have high hopes that it's going to last but at least I am confident that it is the pump.
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